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    The 2019 NBA draft combine had Keldon Johnson at 6'6" in sneakers, with a 6'9.25" wingspan.

    https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-dr...-measurements/

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    The 2019 NBA draft combine had Keldon Johnson at 6'6" in sneakers, with a 6'9 1/2" wingspan.

    https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-dr...-measurements/
    Still undersized for SF, tbh.

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    Still undersized for SF, tbh.
    By a bit, sure. But beside a reasonably sized PF, I think the D could potentially be very good with White, Murray, and KJ playing the 1, 2, & 3.

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    By a bit, sure. But beside a reasonably sized PF, I think the D could potentially be very good with White, Murray, and KJ playing the 1, 2, & 3.
    I would really love to see a big, lanky, tall, pesty defensive lineup sometime.

    White at PG
    Johnson at SG
    Poeltl at C
    And two 6'8"/6'9" guys at Fs

    The defensive potential of such a lineup would be beatiful.

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    White, Walker and Johnson played a lot of G-league ball but still had their moments with the main team on their rookie season, not to mention tearing up on the G-league. Samanic didn't do either.
    I'm guessing you watched none of the G league. Walker didnt tear up at all in the Gleague in his first year. Samanic went on a tear in January and Feb and averaged about 18 ppg, 7 rpg, and 3 apg. Youre literally talking to someone who watched most of the gleague games. Not sure why you started to resort to lying to make your point?

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    I'm guessing you watched none of the G league. Walker didnt tear up at all in the Gleague in his first year. Samanic went on a tear in January and Feb and averaged about 18 ppg, 7 rpg, and 3 apg. Youre literally talking to someone who watched most of the gleague games. Not sure why you started to resort to lying to make your point?
    Why the y at ude son?

    I might not have seen every G-league game live but I box-score followed pretty much all of them, and would watch the highlights of the young prospects when they did good. There was a string of 20+ pts games from Walker that had everybody excited. Shortly after he was called to the main team and showed glimpses of his potential. Samanic didn't have that this season.

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    Why the y at ude son?

    I might not have seen every G-league game live but I box-score followed pretty much all of them, and would watch the highlights of the young prospects when they did good. There was a string of 20+ pts games from Walker that had everybody excited. Shortly after he was called to the main team and showed glimpses of his potential. Samanic didn't have that this season.
    I just hate it when people make up or play revisionist history.

    Walker being called up was to a completely different team and situation, so to compare these two situations is totally arbitrary.

    People were enamored with Walker from the getgo because of his athletic ability and his flashy style. People were desperate to find a new hero after Kawhi.

    Its been easy to hate on Samanic because there were other prospects people wanted from the onset. The same isnt true for Lonnie. There was never another prospect in the draft where there were "clear" better options.

    Samanic had the same number of 17+ ppg games as Lonnie had in the gleague.

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    I would really love to see a big, lanky, tall, pesty defensive lineup sometime.

    White at PG
    Johnson at SG
    Poeltl at C
    And two 6'8"/6'9" guys at Fs

    The defensive potential of such a lineup would be beautiful.
    Agreed! But those guys aren't easy to come by. I don't see many FAs that will fit the bill and be affordable, and even if the Spurs draft a 6'9"+ guy, he likely won't be ready to start right away. I'm all for a sign & trade with DeRozan to get one of those guys though.

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    I just hate it when people make up or play revisionist history.

    Walker being called up was to a completely different team and situation, so to compare these two situations is totally arbitrary.

    People were enamored with Walker from the getgo because of his athletic ability and his flashy style. People were desperate to find a new hero after Kawhi.

    Its been easy to hate on Samanic because there were other prospects people wanted from the onset. The same isnt true for Lonnie. There was never another prospect in the draft where there were "clear" better options.

    Samanic had the same number of 17+ ppg games as Lonnie had in the gleague.
    Walker had a hot streak on the G-league, he was called to the main team and showed some promise. Samanic didn't. Where's the "making up" part?

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    Walker had a hot streak on the G-league, he was called to the main team and showed some promise. Samanic didn't. Where's the "making up" part?
    That Walker's "hot streak" was distinguishable from Samanic's. It wasn't. Walker's "hot streak" was not comparable to White's or Keldon's. If having a hot streak and coming onto the main team was an indicator was a sign of success, then how come when White came onto the team no one projected him to be some special player? This logic just too simplified and reeks of bull .

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    That Walker's "hot streak" was distinguishable from Samanic's. It wasn't. Walker's "hot streak" was not comparable to White's or Keldon's. If having a hot streak and coming onto the main team was an indicator was a sign of success, then how come when White came onto the team no one projected him to be some special player? This logic just too simplified and reeks of bull .
    Talk for yourself son. Me and some others were calling him the best guard on the roster by the end of his rookie season.

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    Talk for yourself son. Me and some others were calling him the best guard on the roster by the end of his rookie season.
    Whats your obsession with calling people son? Lmao

    Again, your logic is too simple. If it was somehow true, then it applies to all players on other teams who show out in the gleague their rookie year and end up being nba players. I know youre not going to look into it but i hope you realize how absurd this line of thinking is.

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    Whats your obsession with calling people son? Lmao
    The same as ending every sentence with "tbh", tbh.

    Again, your logic is too simple. If it was somehow true, then it applies to all players on other teams who show out in the gleague their rookie year and end up being nba players. I know youre not going to look into it but i hope you realize how absurd this line of thinking is.
    What part of my argument are you referring to?

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    We better not sign anyone during this offseason or I'm going to be pissed. Spurs are two years away (minimum) from being good again. If we sign anyone this year then that s things up exponentially and we are back to square one. A ty roster with no cap space. Draft BPA with the 11th pick. Drop Forbes, Belli, and Poetl. Keep Zeller and Lyles because why not. Play all our vets early on in the season and see if we have a shot at making the playoffs. Once we don't make the playoffs, have a fire sale and secure some picks and get probably the 10th pick.

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    That Walker's "hot streak" was distinguishable from Samanic's. It wasn't. Walker's "hot streak" was not comparable to White's or Keldon's. If having a hot streak and coming onto the main team was an indicator was a sign of success, then how come when White came onto the team no one projected him to be some special player? This logic just too simplified and reeks of bull .
    You are a clown! Walkers' hot streak in g-league was not distinguishable from Samanic's for an idiot like you, but Spurs am sure don't just look at the box-score and decide who to bring over to play in the NBA. And No one of our youngs except maybe for Derrick has put numbers comparable to what Lonnie did against Rockets. What makes you think he can't do that ever again? Because if he can do 75% of that, consistently, he would be our third-best player right now. Samanic is nowhere near ready to play. Also, Walker was not 100% healthy in his rookie season which is part of why he fell to us in the draft. His 36min was very comparable to Derrick and Dejounte.

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    No... Youre a clown. Oh lord we have Walker stans now? I dont really give a if you come at me like that... Come at me with logic and facts, not your stupid emotions. Grow up a bit and talk like an adult.

    I dont even hate Lonnie. I support everyone on this team and want all of them to be successful. I'm merely debating the fact that

    Being called up from G league to the main team in their rookie year = NOT an indicator of NBA success
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    That link literally says the average height for SFs is 6'7" and 1/2.

    Why would you provide that link and get it so wrong son?
    Because I'm not trying to lie to prove my point. I did see other articles with them as being 6-6.5 in shoes and under. But it's all besides the point. If Johnson is under the average height by an inch, why is that a problem (especially given that he has a standing reach comparable to most forwards)? Again, the fact that you can't tell the difference between a guy who's short but strong and tenacious and a guard is more telling about you.

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    Yeah, it is more normal to go down in positions as you make your transition from college to the NBA and you have to face, bigger, stronger folks.
    And yet people want Metu and Murray (and White for some) to move up positions.

    DeRozan plays PF with the Spurs because the roster construction is . This is something spur fans have been complaining for years.
    Yeah, no. He plays there because his skills fit best there. Pop had forwards both this year and last and kept them benched. Now if he had really good forwards, he might've played them. But that's obvious. Like if you have five Lebrons, you play them all at the same time. But the team literally brought in four new forwards last year and still played DeRozan at PF.

    How is my listing of players disingenous. I literally took the top teams in the league and just listed their starting SFs. Desingenous is saying the average SF is 6'6" when it's actually a full feet and a half taller, tbh.
    It's disingenuous because it puts players who play mostly at PF or next to a PF who isn't a legit threat offensively. Like Covington is a PF, but even as an SF, he just shoots. You don't need a guy his height to guard him. Even in a case like James and Kuzma, you totally put Johnson on Kuz and let him take possessions away from James. So it's ultimately like, who cares? The heights of the SFs don't SAY anything.

    Carroll is an ex-player, that's why he didn't play. And regarding "how the team works", it hasn't. All season long. Probably because they have no forwards outside of past prime Gay.
    Carroll was a bad contract, but he was a body. You're conflating the idea that the team's best players were guards with the idea that they didn't have forwards to play. If their best players were three-and-D forwards who could cross-guard on smaller players, then yes DeRozan would play down a position. Functionally his role on the team wouldn't change, but the guys next to him would be bigger. The same is true for almost every player. But if the goal was to play DeRozan at his "natural position" at all costs, they could have. But his physical abilities are such that he's a better forward than guard, especially when we're talking about playing SF with a decent defensive PF.

    Forward is the position of most need for now and for the future. Anyone with a pair of functioning eyes can see that.
    Nope. I feel like I'm talking to a guy from like five years ago when I was arguing the team needed to draft a guard and they were telling me it wasn't a need with Parker and Manu on the team. You can't have a sustainable roster drafting for immediate need over and over again, and you end up having to overpay or get lower quality if you have to fill holes through free agency.

    No, they don't. They have a 6'9" PF that doesn't seem to be anywhere ready and probably never will (players who amount to anything real prove it on their first year. Think of Parker, Manu, Hill, Kawhi. heck, even Murray, White, Walker and Johnson. Who was the last player you remember, that the Spurs drafted, who didn't play at all in his rookie season and then became an important feature of the squad? All of the guys I listed had at least a moment of brillance in their first season.

    The other "developmental forward" you are probably referring to is Johnson, who, as already proven, would be better suited at SG than SF.
    All right no. The Spurs drafted Johnson as an SF. RC said as much then they picked him. They definitely drafted two forwards. Johnson has only proven that he plays the position just fine, especially for a rookie. I get that you don't want him to play there, but nothing from the season has proven that he should move down.

    Samanic is exactly what a developmental player is supposed to be. They drafted him with the idea that he wasn't going to play yet but would in a couple of years, and then they went out and signed forwards to bolster their immediate rotation. For the millionth time, I've never suggested the team shouldn't draft another PF with a different skill-set who is hopefully more immediately useful. But yes, they certain can look at new PF, Gay/Lyles and Samanic and think they have the position pretty well addressed and look at Johnson and DeRozan/Walker (just depending) and think "Well we might want to replace Beli with a bigger vet but that position looks good too." Then they can look at an expiring LMA, a Poeltl who's not under contract and wants to leave, and an RFA Eubanks who's okay but also bleh and think, "Yeah, if we can get someone in the pipeline, that'd be great."

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    Samanic was always going to be a two year Austin project. He’s very young, not physically developed, and played a really low level of Euro ball. Year one was just weight room, and getting accustomed to the speed and verticality of American basketball. Year two, he’ll at least be co-featured with our lottery pick, and will start getting what the Spurs call vitamins. Learn the triple threat position, and how to attack from it. Learn the rocker step. Learn some back to the basket stuff.
    Not saying you're wrong Ex but I hope you are. My hope is the lottery pick is on the big boy team out of the gate........but you're probably right about this.

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    Not going to judge a foreign player who has not played American Basketball longer then 6 months. Add to that Bigs always take longer to mature in this league in general.

    For me the next couple of games I really want to see if Murray and Walker be able to step up and write their name in the starting book. If they don’t then one of them has a good chances to be replaced by our 11th pick.

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    Joe Harris would be nice, but most likely too expensive. Spurs will probably sign some garbage player that Pop won't play like Demarre Carroll

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    Joe Harris would be nice, but most likely too expensive. Spurs will probably sign some garbage player that Pop won't play like Demarre Carroll
    if we can get rid of ddrs contract, forbes and belli we can easily afford joe harris. id love to have him in a roster, we need a 3pt specialist. maybe trade murray to move up in a draft.

    white/keldon/harris/obi/lma

    or add lma to murray and move up in a draft and then tryna to sign a drummond.

    white/keldon/harris/obi/drummond

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    And yet people want Metu and Murray (and White for some) to move up positions.



    Yeah, no. He plays there because his skills fit best there. Pop had forwards both this year and last and kept them benched. Now if he had really good forwards, he might've played them. But that's obvious. Like if you have five Lebrons, you play them all at the same time. But the team literally brought in four new forwards last year and still played DeRozan at PF.



    It's disingenuous because it puts players who play mostly at PF or next to a PF who isn't a legit threat offensively. Like Covington is a PF, but even as an SF, he just shoots. You don't need a guy his height to guard him. Even in a case like James and Kuzma, you totally put Johnson on Kuz and let him take possessions away from James. So it's ultimately like, who cares? The heights of the SFs don't SAY anything.



    Carroll was a bad contract, but he was a body. You're conflating the idea that the team's best players were guards with the idea that they didn't have forwards to play. If their best players were three-and-D forwards who could cross-guard on smaller players, then yes DeRozan would play down a position. Functionally his role on the team wouldn't change, but the guys next to him would be bigger. The same is true for almost every player. But if the goal was to play DeRozan at his "natural position" at all costs, they could have. But his physical abilities are such that he's a better forward than guard, especially when we're talking about playing SF with a decent defensive PF.



    Nope. I feel like I'm talking to a guy from like five years ago when I was arguing the team needed to draft a guard and they were telling me it wasn't a need with Parker and Manu on the team. You can't have a sustainable roster drafting for immediate need over and over again, and you end up having to overpay or get lower quality if you have to fill holes through free agency.



    All right no. The Spurs drafted Johnson as an SF. RC said as much then they picked him. They definitely drafted two forwards. Johnson has only proven that he plays the position just fine, especially for a rookie. I get that you don't want him to play there, but nothing from the season has proven that he should move down.

    Samanic is exactly what a developmental player is supposed to be. They drafted him with the idea that he wasn't going to play yet but would in a couple of years, and then they went out and signed forwards to bolster their immediate rotation. For the millionth time, I've never suggested the team shouldn't draft another PF with a different skill-set who is hopefully more immediately useful. But yes, they certain can look at new PF, Gay/Lyles and Samanic and think they have the position pretty well addressed and look at Johnson and DeRozan/Walker (just depending) and think "Well we might want to replace Beli with a bigger vet but that position looks good too." Then they can look at an expiring LMA, a Poeltl who's not under contract and wants to leave, and an RFA Eubanks who's okay but also bleh and think, "Yeah, if we can get someone in the pipeline, that'd be great."
    You have your head way too deep into your own ass on this matter to keep this conversation going. It has become stale and boring. No matter how many more facts I throw at you you will find something new to go on a tangent and boggle the conversation. Heck, you won't even acknowledge the mistake you made with the average height of SF. You are going to keep thinking what you think and nobody is going to change that. There's a reason you are known for being a ty evaluator, tbh. No offense my brother, but you know it's true.

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    We better not sign anyone during this offseason or I'm going to be pissed. Spurs are two years away (minimum) from being good again. If we sign anyone this year then that s things up exponentially and we are back to square one. A ty roster with no cap space. Draft BPA with the 11th pick. Drop Forbes, Belli, and Poetl. Keep Zeller and Lyles because why not. Play all our vets early on in the season and see if we have a shot at making the playoffs. Once we don't make the playoffs, have a fire sale and secure some picks and get probably the 10th pick.

    Starters: Murray,DDR,Gay,LYLES,LMA
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    They’re not dropping Poeltl. He’s a restricted FA and there isn’t a massive amount of cap space (especially if COVID impacts it). There are other FAs that will eat up those teams’ cap space, unless they end up striking out. Spurs shouldn’t have to pay much more than the MLE to keep him.

    I’d then ship out Aldridge for an asset. Higher on him than others, but if you can bring back a decent pick, you do it. Poeltl can start for you at a much lower price.

    If viewing next year as a rebuilding year, it’s not the worst idea to use some of Aldridge’s outgoing salary to take in salaries other teams are looking to shed.

    Doubt this happens if Pop is coming back for another year though.

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    -if there was a possibility to create space to offer a contract to Ingram, that would be my choice
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