Show me any medical or psychological data/research supporting that and I’ll listen
Quite frankly, even as to the ones who are genuine about being a trans woman, any biological male who wins a female athlete award without any shame or recognition of the physical advantages is a ing loser.
“June Eastwood” isn’t any more of a woman after he/she/whatever dominated a sports compe ion against physically inferior biological women. He’s just an asshole.
She won that award after a second place finish.
This isnt really you saying dems should drop the issue because of any strategic reason, this is just because you disagree with it because trans people are weird and icky
I’m not sure what “June Eastwood’s” height and weight are, but I’m willing to bet (insert appropriate pronoun here) has clear and significant physical advantages over whoever the female athlete (insert appropriate pronoun here) beat out for the Sky Conference Female Athlete of the Week award.
I agree the Lebron James scenario fear mongering is ridiculous, but this is just an issue of fairness to me. The scenario where a very small number of biological men/trans women either have to compete against biological men or can’t compete at all presents less unfairness than the scenario where allowing that same very small group to compete against biological women ruins the compe ive experience for a much larger group of biological women (let’s not pretend that it wouldn’t be discouraging for a female track and field athlete who busted her ass training for an event to show up to the event only to discover one of the other runners is a biological male who’s going to smoke her no matter how hard she trained).
Not really. I make fun of trans because the amount of airtime liberals give it (as something that affects only a tiny number of people) is absurd. During the first primary debate Cory Booker at one point said “We need to be concerned about the rights of black sexual transgender people!”...yeah buddy, we’ll get on that when we tackle human rights issues Asian-Latino Hermaphrodites with irritable bowl syndrome and every other oddly specific demographic might face.
You don’t have to speculate on what the pronoun should be. Pronouns are a shorthand of using somebody’s name. Somebody with a feminine name would be called she, etc.
There are something like 150-200 trans ncaa athletes but naturally attention goes to the small handful that are excelling.
at some point a lot of this stuff becomes arbitrary. Should they have made a separate black nba because they were too good for whites? Should Lebron have been banned from high school ball because he was born with athletic advantages? The advantage lebron had over other boys far outweighed whatever advantage this June Eastwood person does.
If it can be demonstrated that trans athletes are ruining sports with any meaningful data we can discuss it. In the meantime this is a population with an astronomically high suicide rate where the single best way found to reduce that is strong support from family, showing that this is a a result of social stigma and their not being able to enjoy everyday experiences because they were unfortunate enough to be born with Genital that don’t comport with our socially invented set of expectations of personality and character for people with those genitals
i agree that booker bringing that up was cringe inducing... just like kamala harping on and on about getting trump banned from twitter when everybody else in the room was talking about adult issues
Is a trans woman a woman?
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Medically, obviously not. Living 40 years and even exchanging DNA through french kissing, sexual intercourse and the like does not change one's race because, even though you are what you consume to an extent, the individual's original genome controls mitosis, which is cell/DNA replication and division. So we can rule out the idea of having large amounts of physical/very intimate contact and exchanging of temporary DNA with someone of a different race can actually medically change the race of the individual.
Meiosis on the other hand is a complicated process, because the zygote formed by, say, a white man's sperm and a black woman's egg, does in fact create an individual that is a race of his/her own, sharing characteristics of both his/her parents. While the generic result is "mixed", the fact is that most of us are already mixed to some degree in some way. What are the odds otherwise?
The key is psychological. Also, external factors like, financials, what kind of neighborhood (downtown vs. dogtown vs. suburban/poshtown vs. rural) do you live in, whose extended family is more involved in their and/or their kids' lives, etc. What kind of culture(s) they are exposed to, music scenes, school quality and racial/ethic/socioeconomic makeup, etc. All of that can factor in to determining the psychological aspect of racial / ethnic iden y.
Sorry but a lot of trans people want to be referred to as "they" and "them".
How many are competing against other women? I have no issue with trans athletes competing in the men's league.
This is a ridiculous slippery slope. A sports league dedicated to women who compete against other biological women isn't something new.
Lets start with whoever would have won the award June (transgender people always pick the stupidest first names) won over a hardworking female athlete who didn't have the advantage of higher testosterone levels.
It's not just genitals, it's size/build/etc. Hate to break it to you, but life is always going to be difficult for a woman with the physical appearance of a man and visa versa.
No. A trans woman is the third category; non-binary.i agree that booker bringing that up was cringe inducing... just like kamala harping on and on about getting trump banned from twitter when everybody else in the room was talking about adult issues
Is a trans woman a woman?
If anything, have sports be 3 categories... men's, women's, and other/non binary's.
I don't give enough of a to care. Take the bathroom for instance, when I'm in a public restroom it has never dawned on me to check the gender of everyone else there. I take a piss, wash my hands and leave. If trans people want to use the same public restroom as me, go for it. Not even sure why it needed a law.i agree that booker bringing that up was cringe inducing... just like kamala harping on and on about getting trump banned from twitter when everybody else in the room was talking about adult issues
Is a trans woman a woman?
Quite honestly I think trans has filled the void left by gay marriage that establishment Dems focus on so they can avoid talking about things like single payer healthcare and out of control defense spending. Americans view the Republican party as the party more equipped to handle the economy even though the last two Republican presidential terms have ended/will end with double digit unemployment, and spending disproportionate time harping on like this feeds those misconceptions.
The Catholic Priest is being usurped by politicians and celebrities as the pedophile monsters of the times. Get as much juice out of this while you can.
gotcha... though every article i pulled after after june eastwood was brought up ITT referred to her as a she
might be good information to have before being so worried about it, tbhHow many are competing against other women? I have no issue with trans athletes competing in the men's league.
and if the concern over trans women competing is inherent athletic advantages, it's not that slipperyThis is a ridiculous slippery slope. A sports league dedicated to women who compete against other biological women isn't something new.
the implication being that June wasn't hard working? from what ive read, june was a champion track runner in high school among boys and on that merit became a college track runner. had to stop competing for 15 months while undergoing hormone treatment. i havent kept up with june eastwoods track career (first heard that name today) to know what's been happening sinceLets start with whoever would have won the award June (transgender people always pick the stupidest first names) won over a hardworking female athlete who didn't have the advantage of higher testosterone levels.
but you dont determine somebody's sex by looking at their shoulder breadth and height. for a child in their early teens, the differences are largely negligible, for instance.It's not just genitals, it's size/build/etc.
i have no doubt about thatHate to break it to you, but life is always going to be difficult for a woman with the physical appearance of a man and visa versa.
it will be... because they are still stigmatized. it was a lot harder to be a gay person 40 years ago than it is now, because people warmed up to them. their suicide rates have seen a drastic drop as well.
The fact I wouldn't be physically attracted to a woman with broad shoulders and a gigantic Adam's Apple bulge has all to do with stigma. You can't actually be serious.
Were you on the gymnastics team at Michigan State? That would explain you being so angry at the world.
somebody who identifies as a woman is by definition binary
i'm not talking about sexual attraction, i'm talking about everyday life. the high rates of suicidality among that population isn't because they aren't getting laid
whats funny about this is that without your knowing, you've probably been attracted to a woman who was actually trans. they're not all like the black hooker from 40 year old virgin
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Yeah, MIT a few years back incorporated gender-neutral community bathrooms (with showers, sort of like a locker room) in their dorm halls. Still I believe they only pair the same gender for roommates in double rooms, but the halls and even suites are completely co-ed there. Not sure what other colleges have followed them, I may recall reading that Oberlin might have at some point. Honestly, who cares about bathrooms and locker rooms and showers? Just because you have co-ed public bathrooms and showers doesn't mean that the girls are going to be raped or sex-related crimes in general would increase. So having completely gender-neutral bathrooms is a much easier way to fix the "trans" issue than having to have 3 separate bathrooms/shower rooms. I agree that people should stop being so puritanical and prudish. The idea of incidentally or accidentally seeing someone partially or fully naked does not mean someone is going to get molested or assaulted! Jeez.
Not to mention, the one in their pants
What is the sex on their birth certificate, when they were born in the hospital? That is their binary sex, and only possible binary sex for life.
They have but one other option: a sex change (self-funded, not by taxpayer dollars btw), and thus a change to identifying as the opposite sex; however, they are now part of the 3rd category, which includes anyone who is not both currently AND born (M) or (F).
or you could just continue having 2 bathrooms and people will choose the one they prefer or identify with as they always had, even before laws were put into place.
rape is still illegal. the meme of grown man walking up to the bathroom saying "HUR DUR IM A GIRL NOW" and then raping the girls in the bathroom isnt born out by any statistic
Yeah that one was ridiculous. Pretty sure if a rapist wants to go after a girl who's in the restroom, the sign that says "girls only" isn't going to be much of a deterrent
now you're changing from sex to gender. nobody "identifies as the opposite sex"
the gender binary is identifying as a man or woman.
sex isn't even really a binary (though it is bimodal), and that refers generally to what genitals you have and/or your chromosomes. there are fringe cases there too, people born with XXY, XYY, X. there are people with XX who develop male parts, and people with XY who develop female parts.
Just make all bathrooms gender independent, problem solved.
Rape will always be illegal, and the idea that women should have to fear that just because there are men in the restroom eliminating waste/doing their business at the same time as the females, is absurd. And the idea of men freaking out over seeing a tampon or pad in the waste basket? Get over it, grow up, this isn't the 16th century.
people also go to certain bathrooms because there's a level of comfort. i dont go to the men's bathroom because i'm afraid of getting raped by women. if somebody is trans, early on during that they'll probably still go to the same bathroom they always had, until they start feeling more and more affirmed in their iden y, and will eventually start using the other one.
its really not a big deal. nobody does a genital check at the bathroom door. it hasn't been a problem to date. no problem with having the 2 restrooms. some places like starbucks have space for a single unisex bathroom, thats obviously fine too.
but no it doesnt make sense to have a single large unisex restroom... women dont want to walk in and see dudes on urinals
the XXY, XYY, XXXY etc hermaphrodite cases would of course be listed as "other", say "X" at birth. In which case they are already born into the third category I've been talking about all along, and are therefore set for life in the third category of non-binary.
Three categories
(M) for life
(F) for life
(X) - Non binary, either at birth or changed sex/gender iden y at any point in life.
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