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    On the contrary, the meme
    clarifies your side's relativistic ethics. Violence is violence, but violence against people is worse imo than violence against things. Things are replaceable, people are not.

    People who break the law and destroy things for the sake of broader justice for people face the temporal consequences. That's the kernel of civil disobedience.

    Per contra, injustice that wears a badge escapes responsibility for that very reason. The police guild protects evil because it can do so with impunity, while protesters are vulnerable both to police violence and vigilantes like James Fields Jr and Kyle Rittenhouse.
    No, it's a gross oversimplification of a much more convoluted issue. I get siloing makes it easier for you but it doesn't really work when you're trying to have an adult conversation. If law enforcement is only a suggestion with the same restrictions that civilians have, it's toothless and pointless and might as well be defunded.

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    And they killed him any way
    It was God's will. What choice did they have?

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    No, it's a gross oversimplification of a much more convoluted issue. I get siloing makes it easier for you but it doesn't really work when you're trying to have an adult conversation. If law enforcement is only a suggestion with the same restrictions that civilians have, it's toothless and pointless and might as well be defunded.
    Law enforcement sucks at protecting property and creating public safety, in fact it presents significant danger to the public and creates crimes more or less willy nilly, homing in on the poor and low caste folks.

    Might as well defund it, good riddance to smelly garbage.

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    Police lawlessness presents and foments public disorder; it's a significant public safety problem, far more common and persistent than episodic riots.

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    ~80% of the criminal docket is public nuisance misdemeanors . Ever wonder why police are so bad at clearing property crime and violent crimes?

    They're too busy collecting fees and fines for bull misdemeanors with a de minimis effect on public safety. Maybe public safety isn't the true mission of the police department.

    The over‐​enforcement of malum prohibitum laws by the police and the misdemeanor court system raises serious questions about public resources and the reasonableness of how governments address relatively unserious nuisances.
    https://www.cato.org/publications/co...emeanor-system

    https://www.basicbooks.com/ les/al...9780465093809/
    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/68160...argets-the-poo
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    Law enforcement sucks at protecting property and creating public safety,
    This I know, which is why I carry a firearm and believe in the 2nd Amendment.
    in fact it presents significant danger to the public and creates crimes more or less willy nilly, homing in on the poor and low caste folks.

    Might as well defund it, good riddance to smelly garbage.
    Good luck getting anyone out to your place to remove your ex who's beating your windows out with a bat.

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    ~80% of the criminal docket is public nuisance misdemeanors . Ever wonder why police are so bad at clearing property crime and violent crimes?

    They're too busy collecting fees and fines for bull misdemeanors with a de minimis effect on public safety. Maybe public safety isn't the true mission of the police department.

    https://www.cato.org/publications/co...emeanor-system

    https://www.basicbooks.com/ les/al...9780465093809/
    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/68160...argets-the-poo
    I'm more than certain that a big component of the police role is to serve and collect. They are a money making scheme, and the protection offered in the process is a side business.

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    I'm more than certain that a big component of the police role is to serve and collect. They are a money making scheme, and the protection offered in the process is a side business.
    That's certainly true. Civil forfeiture has reached a greater magnitude than all reported robbery and theft in the US.

    Rigid anti-taxation sentiment also tends to cause overreliance of fees and fines (e.g.,., predatory, extractive pollicing) for revenue.

    https://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/defaul...U_policing.pdf
    https://www.governing.com/columns/pu...ines-debt.html
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    This I know, which is why I carry a firearm and believe in the 2nd Amendment.

    Good luck getting anyone out to your place to remove your ex who's beating your windows out with a bat.
    Defunding police =/= aboiltion of police. That's a common strawman. There are abolitionists out there, from my own interactions it's not my impression they are numerous, ymmv.

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    It was God's will. What choice did they have?
    Especially since Jesus was black

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    This I know, which is why I carry a firearm and believe in the 2nd Amendment.

    Good luck getting anyone out to your place to remove your ex who's beating your windows out with a bat.
    Seems they got to Jacob Blake pretty fast

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    Neither did Philando Castile. Or Breonna Taylor. Or Elijah McClain. I would say “I can go on for hours” but there’s so many examples that sadly I’ve forgotten most of their names.

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    Defunding police =/= aboiltion of police. That's a common strawman. There are abolitionists out there, from my own interactions it's not my impression they are numerous, ymmv.
    Really?

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    Yeah, really. PDs need to be right sized and refocussed on serving public safety instead of policing racial caste and stuffing the municipal coffers with fees and fines.

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    Neither did Philando Castile. Or Breonna Taylor. Or Elijah McClain. I would say “I can go on for hours” but there’s so many examples that sadly I’ve forgotten most of their names.
    If a cop shoots an unarmed person they should be tried in a court of law just like you and I would be, but just because there are unjustified shootings doesn't mean all shootings are unjustified, and until there's a legal outcome are you going to reserve judgement or kowtow to social pressure to join the chorus and grab your pitchfork?

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    Yeah, really. PDs need to be right sized and refocussed on serving public safety instead of policing racial caste and stuffing the municipal coffers with fees and fines.
    Defunding doesn't mean reduced funding. It means no funding. If I declaw a cat I am not trimming the nails.

    The term started out as abolishment, and because of how ing stupid it was, instead of just eating the sandwich the left began to shift the narrative to reallocation of funds. That's hardly defunding the police. It's more like how congress pretends they are moving funds from one pocket to another but while you're not watching they'll still do everything they were going to do anyhow with those funds. Defunding would be no funding, let's not pretend words don't have meanings.

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    Defunding doesn't mean reduced funding. It means no funding. If I declaw a cat I am not trimming the nails.
    The dictionary definition doesn't govern what's happening. In practice, defunding police means reducing their funding. Decertifying PDs is politically nonviable.

    Minneapolis did float a trial balloon about decertifying MPD but quickly reversed course.

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    Defunding police =/= aboiltion of police. That's a common strawman. There are abolitionists out there, from my own interactions it's not my impression they are numerous, ymmv.
    US police are trained less than other countries, where police are considered professionals and certified vs "just anybody" in USA can be a cop.

    "Texas licenses 37 of the 102 lower-income occupations studied here. Its laws are the 21st most burdensome and require, on average, $253 in fees, 341 days of education and experience, and around two exams. Licensing fewer lower-income occupations than most states, Texas ranks as the nation’s 42nd most broadly and onerously licensed state."

    https://occupationallicensing.com/state/Texas/

    iow, cosmetologists, and other low-end LICENSED occupations, get more training that the TX cops, who basically bunch of relative amateurs, under-trained, un-certified.




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    Defunding doesn't mean reduced funding. It means no funding. If I declaw a cat I am not trimming the nails.
    Except "defunded" police departments are still being funded.

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    If a cop shoots an unarmed person they should be tried in a court of law just like you and I would be, but just because there are unjustified shootings doesn't mean all shootings are unjustified, and until there's a legal outcome are you going to reserve judgement or kowtow to social pressure to join the chorus and grab your pitchfork?
    the same legal system that constantly looks the other way regarding police, the ones who swept this under the rug for decades.

    If that legal system did their ing job in the first place, and held police accountable for these shootings, there wouldn’t be any protests/riots right now. Don’t be purposely obtuse.

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    the same legal system that constantly looks the other way regarding police, the ones who swept this under the rug for decades.

    If that legal system did their ing job in the first place, and held police accountable for these shootings, there wouldn’t be any protests/riots right now. Don’t be purposely obtuse.
    What are you going to do about it, post emojis and sulk?

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    The dictionary definition doesn't govern what's happening. In practice, defunding police means reducing their funding. Decertifying PDs is politically nonviable.

    Minneapolis did float a trial balloon about decertifying MPD but quickly reversed course.
    Conflating the original intent with a more user friendly version doesn't make you right.

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    What are you going to do about it, post emojis and sulk?
    He's got 5 troll accounts ready to go.

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    Conflating the original intent with a more user friendly version doesn't make you right.
    Blurring the lines is integral for fence sniping.

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    Especially since Jesus was black
    I is that I is

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