right wings new hero, kyle rittenhouse caught on camera beating up a girl

[DMC]

I don't see color

Real s not allowed in jury's I guess

[daboom1]

troll account

[Chucho]

If it was a 17 year old black kid who was chased down and attacked by three black guys and he ended up killing two of the attackers and wounded the third attacker who came at him with a gun pointed at his head I’m sure you’d want the 17 year old to get off on a self defense claim.

Well, if the attackers are black, it would get no burn on the MSM. It'd get swept under the rug like all the mass murders happening in the ghettos of Chicago on a near nightly basis.

[DMC]

Well, if the attackers are black, it would get no burn on the MSM. It'd get swept under the rug like all the mass murders happening in the ghettos of Chicago on a near nightly basis.

I noticed CNN had a small side article about the missing black girl but no follow up since. Of course Fox won't even mention it. Meanwhile Pe o became a household name, poor little white girl dindunuffin.

[Cuck Ross]

I don’t see color.

is it even a question. He's going to get off

[SnakeBoy]

is it even a question. He's going to get off

Judge has a long history of asking murderers to stand behind him while he plays solitaire on his phone

[baseline bum]

implying that playing call of duty means he had an intent to kill a lot of people

JFC you can tell the prosecutor has never shot a rifle before. Oh yeah it's just like Call of Duty. I love turning on the aim assist when I'm trying to kill something with an AR-15.

[DMC]

JFC you can tell the prosecutor has never shot a rifle before. Oh yeah it's just like Call of Duty. I love turning on the aim assist when I'm trying to kill something with an AR-15.

Should have used the rubberized grip to reduce recoil and improve ADS speed.

[Isitjustme?]

That's a troll account.

This ur Twitter? Wondering you ever got back on after the bot like behavior warning they gave
you

[daboom1]

uh oh

[ElNono]

But the NRA isn't the general advocacy population just as the ACLU isn't that for the 1A nor Planned Parenthood for Roe V Wade. These are just organizations that rely on these principles to stay afloat, and they advertise themselves as advocacy groups and at times they are. I'd guess the overwhelmingly large percentage of gun owners in the US are not members of the NRA nor part of any "group". They do, however, support the 2A since they don't want to give up their own guns. That doesn't mean they want you to own one though.

If all you know of gun owners is what the news tells you, it's no wonder you think the NRA is the bulk of 2A proponents in the US.

Also, crime goes down when good guys have guns could be true, but it doesn't say "all good guys have guns". It's not advocating for more gun ownership (although it would serve them well to have higher membership). Also, being legal doesn't make you a good guy. Most active shooters were legal at one time.
It doesn't make sense for a self defense advocate to want everyone else armed. It only makes sense to support their freedom to be armed if they so choose. Do you think an MMA fighter wants everyone to be a skilled as they are? Of course not. They probably support training and even encourage it.
That's because the 2A is under constant attack. So is the 1A but it's more subtle and basically that's often frowned upon by everyone unless the speech goes against that person's beliefs. You can be against the 2A because you don't own a gun and don't want one.

Sorry, but they are the face of the 2A advocates, and also put their money where their mouth is (via litigation, for example). And the ACLU is certainly an advocacy group for civil rights, which is somewhat comparable, though nowhere near in size and funding. On the other hand Planned Parenthood is nothing like that, as they provide a plethora of other services and abortions are actually a small part of the services they provide.

Pretending the NRA isn't the staunchest defender and most visible face of the 2A advocates is simply being in denial, IMO. They've changed and become much more extremist in their stance over the years as well. This is a group that once upon a time worked with FDR to pass the first set of gun regulation in this country.

About the whole good guy with a gun, we do have stats showing Clinton's assault rifle ban was actually effective in curbing gun crimes involving assault weapons, and those actually declined. They were somewhat offset by gun crimes with other weapons using high capacity ammo, which is why that's also an area that's been looked at for regulation.

As a life long gun owner, veteran and 2A supporter, I couldn't give 2 s about the NRA and tbh I don't even know anyone who's a member. I see it like Ducks Unlimited, a club of people who want a card to say they belong to a club. You seem to have a very simplistic view of things, maybe that's how the news portrays it. They show a gun owner, call him a gun owner and he has to have a reflective orange hat, a pornstache, poor grammar and be uneducated. Then they switch to the NRA as if the NRA is basically the 2A. It's not.

Well, IMO, you're an outlier. I know plenty of card carrying members, who are obviously gun owners as well, like to go to the range often, just happen to be staunch republicans as well, etc. Not bad people either, some of them are friends.

Nothing simplistic about it, and I don't watch the MSM, so I don't know what portrayal I'm missing here... I'm talking about people that are trained, gun safe at home, and kick the habit here and there. I get it, you're not one of those guys, that's fine.

In the news.

72 million people report owning guns

NRA membership is around 5.5m

Nearly two-thirds of Americans say they believe the Cons ution guarantees each person the right to own a gun, according to a poll released Sunday. (dated)

In all, 65 percent said they thought the Cons ution ensures that right, and 31 percent said it did not. The question had a sampling error of plus-or-minus 3 points.

The 2A has a much larger support group than does the NRA and we didn't elect them as our representatives so why do you consider them to be?

Because they have the most influence when it comes to political/legal aspects of the 2A. They were, until very recently, the biggest lobby group in the entire United States. See: https://www.businessinsider.com/nra-...ontrol-2017-10

So when we talk about modest regulation of any kind of the 2A, that's essentially who you're going to run into and against.

The original was a strawman because, again, no one suggested everyone should own a gun. Kyle Rittenhouse having a gun doesn't equate to everyone having a gun, just as 700 buildings in and around the Floyd protests being burned to the ground didn't equate to cities burning down. It seemed clear to people then. Thus the liberal arm locking I referred to earlier. It used to be liberals had a difference of opinion. Now they just go along with the group.

Again, as I posted previously, there's advocacy to paint unfettered gun ownership as positive and desirable.

You can tell me I'm wrong, and that's a minority (and you could be correct), but it undeniably does exist, and that advocacy is, at the very least, misguided. That's what doesn't make the original statement a strawman.

[ElNono]

That's a troll account.

[ElNono]

uh oh

That's a troll account.

[Winehole23]

Leaving completely to one side leaking putative jury deliberations to the press, isn't it a crime to have contact with a deliberating jury if you're not like, the bailiff or the judge or something?

BTW, are there any US Marshals attached to the court in Kenosha, or did they (supposedly) come from somewhere else?

[elbamba1]

It wasn't a protest. It was a riot. These people didn't give 2 s about George Floyd.

Whether it was a protest or a riot doesn't really change the facts. The business owner should be the person protecting his business and property through lawful means. A 17-year-old kid from out of state should not be allowed to bring an AR-15 into a riot zone under the guise of protecting property he does not own. Let me be clear, I am completely in favor of prosecuting rioters who destroy property and break the law. However, I believe we allow our police force to be responsible for holding rioters accountable, not children playing at being a medic or cop. While his actions were likely lawful, I am in favor of changing the laws.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Whether it was a protest or a riot doesn't really change the facts. The business owner should be the person protecting his business and property through lawful means. A 17-year-old kid from out of state should not be allowed to bring an AR-15 into a riot zone under the guise of protecting property he does not own. Let me be clear, I am completely in favor of prosecuting rioters who destroy property and break the law. However, I believe we allow our police force to be responsible for holding rioters accountable, not children playing at being a medic or cop. While his actions were likely lawful, I am in favor of changing the laws.

But yet the left wants to defund the police. No police + no vigilant justice = anarchy

[Will Hunting]

But yet the left wants to defund the police. No police + no vigilant justice = anarchy

Cori Bush is literally the only Democrat in congress who wants to defund the police. It’s not a remotely mainstream idea on “the left”

[redzero]

Good lord, the prosecution is shady af.

[DMC]

Whether it was a protest or a riot doesn't really change the facts. The business owner should be the person protecting his business and property through lawful means. A 17-year-old kid from out of state should not be allowed to bring an AR-15 into a riot zone under the guise of protecting property he does not own. Let me be clear, I am completely in favor of prosecuting rioters who destroy property and break the law. However, I believe we allow our police force to be responsible for holding rioters accountable, not children playing at being a medic or cop. While his actions were likely lawful, I am in favor of changing the laws.

He was using lawful means when he asked civilians to protect his business using lawful means. The cops were not going to help.

[Chucho]

Cori Bush is literally the only Democrat in congress who wants to defund the police. It’s not a remotely mainstream idea on “the left”

Nobody's that stupid to die on that hill after what happened and is happening in Seattle. Defund the police $25 million and there are magical budget deficits and the city is a ing literal wasteland that is literally dying, but another one of those things swept under the rug.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cori Bush is literally the only Democrat in congress who wants to defund the police. It’s not a remotely mainstream idea on “the left”

Omar
AOC
Pressley
Talib
Cori Bush
etc

[DMC]

Sorry, but they are the face of the 2A advocates, and also put their money where their mouth is (via litigation, for example). And the ACLU is certainly an advocacy group for civil rights, which is somewhat comparable, though nowhere near in size and funding. On the other hand Planned Parenthood is nothing like that, as they provide a plethora of other services and abortions are actually a small part of the services they provide.

Pretending the NRA isn't the staunchest defender and most visible face of the 2A advocates is simply being in denial, IMO. They've changed and become much more extremist in their stance over the years as well. This is a group that once upon a time worked with FDR to pass the first set of gun regulation in this country.

About the whole good guy with a gun, we do have stats showing Clinton's assault rifle ban was actually effective in curbing gun crimes involving assault weapons, and those actually declined. They were somewhat offset by gun crimes with other weapons using high capacity ammo, which is why that's also an area that's been looked at for regulation.



Well, IMO, you're an outlier. I know plenty of card carrying members, who are obviously gun owners as well, like to go to the range often, just happen to be staunch republicans as well, etc. Not bad people either, some of them are friends.

Nothing simplistic about it, and I don't watch the MSM, so I don't know what portrayal I'm missing here... I'm talking about people that are trained, gun safe at home, and kick the habit here and there. I get it, you're not one of those guys, that's fine.



Because they have the most influence when it comes to political/legal aspects of the 2A. They were, until very recently, the biggest lobby group in the entire United States. See: https://www.businessinsider.com/nra-...ontrol-2017-10

So when we talk about modest regulation of any kind of the 2A, that's essentially who you're going to run into and against.



Again, as I posted previously, there's advocacy to paint unfettered gun ownership as positive and desirable.

You can tell me I'm wrong, and that's a minority (and you could be correct), but it undeniably does exist, and that advocacy is, at the very least, misguided. That's what doesn't make the original statement a strawman.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...le-ncna1000946

https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/...4-24-2012.html

https://www.chicagonow.com/politics-...-represent-me/


Especially this one

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...d-experiences/


Do you think hunters aren't pro 2A? They are. They just aren't militant about it and they often apply a modi of common sense. You can be an advocate without being a zealot.

[spurraider21]

I know plenty of card carrying members, who are obviously gun owners as well, like to go to the range often, just happen to be staunch republicans as well, etc. Not bad people either.

...and some, i assume, are good people

[Will Hunting]

Omar
AOC
Pressley
Talib
Cori Bush
etc

When has AOC ever advocated for getting rid of police?

also you just named only 5 house reps. Specifically what you mean by “etc” or fold.

[Will Hunting]

Nobody's that stupid to die on that hill after what happened and is happening in Seattle. Defund the police $25 million and there are magical budget deficits and the city is a ing literal wasteland that is literally dying, but another one of those things swept under the rug.

Cori Bush is stupid enough to defend it and does