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    I wonder if anyone has done a study on the value of the 31st pick in the draft... In financial terms, it's a really great pick to have-- you get a guy who's practically a first rounder, but the financial risk/ salary cap hit is as close to zero as you can get. A guy like Xavier Tillman led the entire NCAA in BPM and DBPM against a tough schedule and might be a productive bench big for years, but could be taken for a two year test drive with almost no financial investment risk. From a purely statistical angle with regard to potential talent and salary cap considerations, I'd think 31 through 35 should coveted much as a mid 20s pick.
    1. First rounders can also be taken for a 2 year test drive, third year is team option
    2. They also hit RFA a year earlier

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    1. First rounders can also be taken for a 2 year test drive, third year is team option
    2. They also hit RFA a year earlier
    Right, but a first round pick is guaranteed money according to their draft position. A second round pick is almost always much less expensive-- typically four years for about $6mil+ or three years for $4mil+ or below $1mil for a single season... peanuts in terms of an NBA contract. By comparison, Keldon Johnson-- a 29th pick-- is guaranteed $4mil for his first two seasons. Not a huge difference, but a difference.

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    Right, but a first round pick is guaranteed money according to their draft position. A second round pick is almost always much less expensive-- typically four years for about $6mil+ or three years for $4mil+ or below $1mil for a single season... peanuts in terms of an NBA contract. By comparison, Keldon Johnson-- a 29th pick-- is guaranteed $4mil for his first two seasons. Not a huge difference, but a difference.
    That is a 1.7 mil difference, Brogdon for example is making 18 mil in his fourth year that's 14 mil difference what he could have made if he was drafted 29th.

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    Obi Toppin's SOS was 3.69 last season.

    Yeah, I know... it's one of the things that really gives pause about him. If I was just looking at numbers, I wouldn't be thrilled with him at all because of it. I still think his offense will translate, but I also think he's most likely to be one-dimensional. On the right team, that's probably good enough.

    Just for comparison - have you ever looked at Ja Morant's college SOS at Murray State? Yeah, it's not a misprint. I said it in some thread, maybe this one - if last year's ROY can come from Murray State, there's no reason why Toppin can't be a Top 10 pick this year, out of Dayton.

    I didn't mean to say that a weak SOS is a hard and fast rule that means a player isn't good enough. But it is a yellow flag. You also have to look at how the player put up his numbers in college. A 7-footer who dominates smaller, slower players in the blocks doesn't impress me nearly as much a guy with handles and athleticism.

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    Yeah, I know... it's one of the things that really gives pause about him. If I was just looking at numbers, I wouldn't be thrilled with him at all because of it. I still think his offense will translate, but I also think he's most likely to be one-dimensional. On the right team, that's probably good enough.

    Just for comparison - have you ever looked at Ja Morant's college SOS at Murray State? Yeah, it's not a misprint. I said it in some thread, maybe this one - if last year's ROY can come from Murray State, there's no reason why Toppin can't be a Top 10 pick this year, out of Dayton.

    I didn't mean to say that a weak SOS is a hard and fast rule that means a player isn't good enough. But it is a yellow flag. You also have to look at how the player put up his numbers in college. A 7-footer who dominates smaller, slower players in the blocks doesn't impress me nearly as much a guy with handles and athleticism.

    Nice post.

    For me, Toppin has the double whammy of weak SOS and advanced age. Despite just finishing his sop re year, he's about a year older that Xavier Tillman, who just finished his junior year. He's two years older than Haliburton, and three years older than Wiseman. And Defense: Toppin doesn't even talk about it in interviews I've seen. It's like defense is not on his radar, even though every scouting report about him brings it up... to me, that's a third warning flag. Players from Wiseman to Tillman talk about it extensively, and a guy like Paul Reed says things like he wants to lead all rookies in rebounding, but Toppin is usually content to talk exclusively about scoring.
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    That is a 1.7 mil difference, Brogdon for example is making 18 mil in his fourth year that's 14 mil difference what he could have made if he was drafted 29th.
    Good point. Brogdon played it really smart.

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    Good point. Brogdon played it really smart.
    What? Did he tell teams not to take him the first round? Anything else is just the luck of the draw.

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    What? Did he tell teams not to take him the first round? Anything else is just the luck of the draw.
    No, I just mean playing well and then working out a nice fat raise in his fourth year.

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    If the draft comes anywhere close to the mocks, there are several players who could go undrafted that would be great pickups. I hope the Spurs have at least a 2-way contract ready for Kaleb Wesson, the moment #60 is called - assuming he really does go undrafted. I can't believe he might go undrafted.

    He's a legit big man. He was too heavy his when he first went to college, but he lost weight and started looking really good. Word is he's down to about 250 now, and stronger than ever. He's a guy who can get in and root under the basket, but he also shot .420 from 3P last year, on a reasonable number of attempts for a big man. He's 6'9" barefoot, and has around a 7'3" wingspan. And he held up very well against some of the better bigs in the NCAA last year.

    If he really does go undrafted, it would be a crime. But it would be a bigger crime not to be waiting for him if that happens.

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    If the draft comes anywhere close to the mocks, there are several players who could go undrafted that would be great pickups. I hope the Spurs have at least a 2-way contract ready for Kaleb Wesson, the moment #60 is called - assuming he really does go undrafted. I can't believe he might go undrafted.

    He's a legit big man. He was too heavy his when he first went to college, but he lost weight and started looking really good. Word is he's down to about 250 now, and stronger than ever. He's a guy who can get in and root under the basket, but he also shot .420 from 3P last year, on a reasonable number of attempts for a big man. He's 6'9" barefoot, and has around a 7'3" wingspan. And he held up very well against some of the better bigs in the NCAA last year.

    If he really does go undrafted, it would be a crime. But it would be a bigger crime not to be waiting for him if that happens.
    I think there are a number of bigs who will be there at 41 and later because how many talented PGs are in the draft and how teams value wings so much. I don't think Oturu will be there anymore, but I could see the Spurs easily replacing Eubanks with their second or even a two-way UDFA.

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    If the draft comes anywhere close to the mocks, there are several players who could go undrafted that would be great pickups. I hope the Spurs have at least a 2-way contract ready for Kaleb Wesson, the moment #60 is called - assuming he really does go undrafted. I can't believe he might go undrafted.

    He's a legit big man. He was too heavy his when he first went to college, but he lost weight and started looking really good. Word is he's down to about 250 now, and stronger than ever. He's a guy who can get in and root under the basket, but he also shot .420 from 3P last year, on a reasonable number of attempts for a big man. He's 6'9" barefoot, and has around a 7'3" wingspan. And he held up very well against some of the better bigs in the NCAA last year.

    If he really does go undrafted, it would be a crime. But it would be a bigger crime not to be waiting for him if that happens.
    High on him too. Good passer, which is crucial for pick and a pick and pop Big. Reggie Perry is another one more athletic, dad is a coach skilled for age and Malik Fitts.

    There seems to be a little consensus for Woodard at 41. Yam Madar is a good draft and stash flyer. Isiah Joe may be the best shooter in the draft can't defend though.

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    I said it at the start of the thread (and for last years draft), Abdoulaye N'Doye is an NBA player. He might be another Danny Green - which is really good value at 41.

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    High on him too. Good passer, which is crucial for pick and a pick and pop Big. Reggie Perry is another one more athletic, dad is a coach skilled for age and Malik Fitts.

    There seems to be a little consensus for Woodard at 41. Yam Madar is a good draft and stash flyer. Isiah Joe may be the best shooter in the draft can't defend though.

    I've read some crazy bad stuff about Wesson's athleticism - supposedly out of the "combine" they held this year. I don't have any way of knowing what is truth and what is rumor. If it's true, he's as earth-bound as Duncan was. And maybe that's going to keep him from being drafted. But I watched him play, and I watched him handle a number of bigger-name big men. I'm convinced he would have value in the NBA. Especially on a min contract as an undrafted free agent. (Did I mention that he shot 42% from 3P, on a decent number of attempts for a big man?)

    We've got lots of other threads for predicting draft picks. All I'm saying is that if Wesson's name isn't called, I would really like to see the Spurs get him. Last year most of the best undrafted free agents got locked up on the first day.

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