Yeah the low percentage for <30 voters in this primary was largely due to the fact there were simply less of them. A lot of millennials have turned 30 since 2016 and there aren’t anywhere near as many gen Z voters.
The information I quoted was wrong (misread a graph), which mostly invalidated the argument I was making about 18-30 showing up in such low numbers that information would have indicated in the primaries for Bernie.
Yeah the low percentage for <30 voters in this primary was largely due to the fact there were simply less of them. A lot of millennials have turned 30 since 2016 and there aren’t anywhere near as many gen Z voters.
don't forget the latinos that vote R because mah abortion even though the supreme court has been dominated by the Republican party for decades and when the tiebreaker left, his replacement only got the job by promising to uphold mah abortion
Or worse, the Cubans who get disproportionate attention because of the electoral college and vote R because of muh Castro even though the Republicans are the party that want to fix elections and have totalitarian rule.
But yeah I think SCOTUS only has two justices who would overturn Roe v Wade. All the stories from this session were that Kavanaugh wanted to avoid ruling on abortion related issues, and Gorsuch strikes me as someone who’s going to be awful on things like Citizens United but will otherwise be socially liberal. People thinking Roe v Wade getting overturned is even a possibility are delusional.
don't get your hopes up Gorsuch is an originalist, another originalist that served on the court, Antonin Scalia. He upholds old laws and agreements due to precedent so that goes against what the Republicans want because they keep trying to overturn , but any new legislations I see him ruling against
Yeah I don’t have my hopes up at all, I was only speaking to Roe v Wade. I fully expect Gorsuch to rule in favor of corporations and rich people whenever possible.
"No change" Biden is a voter-suppression machine.Who are the non-voters? -->>
One of the most comprehensive surveys of nonvoters was published by Pew Research Center on August 9, 2018.
Nonvoters were more likely to be younger, less educated, less affluent and nonwhite.
The Pew data on this issue is stark. Almost half of nonvoters in the 2016 presidential election were nonwhite, even though they compose only one-fourth of the voting population. Even more extreme is the data on class: More than half of nonvoters — 56% — are quite poor, making less than $30,000, even though that income group cons utes just over one-fourth of the voting population. The people who choose to vote are disproportionately privileged; those who are nonprivileged choose disproportionately not to vote.
To deny agency to poorer and nonwhite nonvoters, it is sometimes claimed that voter suppression efforts — rather than a cognizant and rational choice — is the primary factor explaining the behavior of poor and nonwhite nonvoters. That is also false.
A separate Pew survey, in 2017, of people who are not registered to vote found exactly the opposite: that people who refrain from participating in the electoral process largely do so because they are dissatisfied with the choices or believe voting will not change their lives.
meanwhile the other option is trying to literally suppress voters through the legal system
People actually believe (through experience) that the amount of trouble it takes to vote is never countered by the benefits of voting. Regardless who wins, their lives are basically the same. The same cannot be said for political "fans" - those people who feel they are part of their political party and treat elections like a sporting event.
Honestly, Cubans vote (R) because they're the only latino demographic I know of that gets free green cards, and are not demonized as the latino rapists and criminals... You can thank St Ronnie for det one.
Of course I’m addressing what you’re saying. You just refuse to listen.
you’re saying kiss our ass, and do what we want, but we’re not going to show up to vote to give you cover to make the essential changes.
then we will sit back and blame you for us not voting.
this is the same the right has done to the government the last 40 years to ensure it no longer works the way it’s supposed to. Starve it intentionally. then when it doesn’t work the way it was designed, say it’s the fault of the apparatus.
This is exactly that.
When did I say we're not going to show up and vote? I've repeatedly said I'm voting for Biden and that any BernieBro who isn't voting for Biden is insane, but I've also said vote shaming doesn't work.
Again, you're not arguing with anything I'm actually saying.
You act like voters owe their vote to whichever politician they might have the most marginal agreements with, they don't. If Biden wants the more than 100 million Americans who don't vote in elections to actually vote, he needs to give them a reason to.
what I’m saying is that if you don’t want milquetoast candidates, then you have to make your voice loud enough to get them.
you is metaphorical of course. But denying the lack of participation by the progs is disingenuous at best.
you’re arguing that the Dems should nominate people “you” want. I’m saying “you” haven’t ever shown up to vote on a consistent enough basis, historically, to have a bigger say than the centrists who do vote.
But you know what else doesn’t work? People who haven’t participated consistently, demanding ideological purity, loudly threatening to take their ball and go home if they don’t get their way. Then trying to absolve themselves of responsibility
It’s like people calling themselves libertarian because they learned a big word, yet vote straight r every year. You see it with people you know, everywhere. granted this place isn’t nuanced enough that any of the pretenders claim anything but undying loyalty to the party that hates they’re scared of, but I’m sure you have more thoughtful friends that still attempt to provide that illusion.
I've found that since 2016, the "I'm a libertarian but just happen to like the Republican candidate this year and every other year" crowd isn't as vocal (this place used to be filled with them when Obama was president). Their blind love for Trump has caused them to subconsciously drop the libertarian honest broker shtick. I've always found them to be insufferable people though
Here's where we disagree - there's no evidence that suggests most voting Democrats are as centrist as Biden is. The data shows Democratic voters are predominantly people who aren't raging BernieBros and are thus pragmatic enough to show up and vote but want policies materially to the left of where the Democratic Party currently sits. For example, 89% of Democrats want Medicare for all, I sincerely doubt it's the other 11% that make up the electorate. Nevertheless, the DNC has fought harder against a M4A platform than it did against Trump's tax cuts. There's no data to support the notion that the Democratic Party is simply just catering to its centrist electorate. Even Democrats who call themselves moderates want policies further to the left of Biden. Point being, if it was as simple as people who support M4A showing up and voting, the Democratic Party wouldn't be as hostile to it as it currently is. It's only natural for some progressives to think that if happily voting for whoever the Democrat is hasn't gotten people what they want, then making demands and saying their vote is conditional is the next step.
I also don't deny the BernieBros who sat at home bear responsibility for Trump, but my point isn't about who is or isn't responsible. They're never going to vote because people shame them and tell them they're responsible. Like it or not the Democratic Party is going to need to win their support if it wants their vote.
RE: Candace Owens; does anyone know of any feel-good stories about any beneficiary of any significant funding/donations from the BLM non-profit?
The radioactive levels of butthurt in this post, tbh.
There's been no fight. Just completely ignoring them and writing them off, tbh.
And that pretty much most or all of the chumpettes fall into that eleven percent "centrist" crowd.
kinda funny how he went from "voter suppression" to "encouraging voter fraud"
encouraging it in states where he believes it will help him
seriously dud, you’re too stupid to be involved in this conversation. Go run to the people you think like you. Maybe between all of you, you can formulate a thought.
Don't bet on it. That is like asking a bunch of poo-flinging chimps to make a chair. If one can't, there is no reason to think ten of them can.
Trump is an existential threat to our democracy, and not supporting Biden has a very real possibility of four more years of a full on fascist wanna be dictator & may very well mean the end of even lip service democracy in the US.
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From reagan to W to Trump each generation of GOP gets more grotesque and makes the previous one look better by comparison.
That is the United States in a nuts
Trump is a quantum leap bad.
He grotesqued himself into another energy level.
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