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  1. #76
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    sidestepping the question.

    What's your opinion as to why he's struggling?
    What part of "that's not what we are arguing here" don't you understand?

    If you had said "Jackson is struggling" instead of "Jackson has been figured out" we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

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    What part of "that's not what we are arguing here" don't you understand?

    If you had said "Jackson is struggling" instead of "Jackson has been figured out" we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
    you still won't say the words "Jackson is struggling".

    again I'm not really arguing here as much as I'm just laughing at you shielding this guy. I don't get it.

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    Something good must be doing the QB of a team that scores 20+ pts in 31 straight games, tbh.
    So is he struggling or not?

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    So is he struggling or not?
    Apparently not as bad as some people want to believe. No real "struggling QB" breaks an all-time record for scoring pts, tbh.

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    you still won't say the words "Jackson is struggling".

    again I'm not really arguing here as much as I'm just laughing at you shielding this guy. I don't get it.
    And I'm laughing at your backtracking from "Jackson has been figured out" to "Jackson is struggling", tbh.

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    And I'm laughing at your backtracking from "Jackson has been figured out" to "Jackson is struggling", tbh.
    Sure you are. I'm laughing at your inability to answer a simple yes or no question.

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    Sure you are. I'm laughing at your inability to answer a simple yes or no question.
    That question was never the point of the argument though. You are just trying to change the focus of the argument because you realized how re ed your "Lamar has been figured out" comment was, tbh.

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    That question was never the point of the argument though. You are just trying to change the focus of the argument because you realized how re ed your "Lamar has been figured out" comment was, tbh.
    I already said I'm fine with anyone saying he hasn't been figured out. Saying he's regressed seems like a reasonable explanation as well.

    What's your opinion as to why he's struggling?

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    I already said I'm fine with anyone saying he hasn't been figured out. Saying he's regressed seems like a reasonable explanation as well.

    What's your opinion as to why he's struggling?
    I already said he has been dealing with a nagging injury all season long, tbh. I remember he was even questionable before a game (don't remember which one). Besides, I think his struggles have been hugely overblown. Like I said, a QB that has his team averaging 30 ppg and with a record of 6-2 can't be struggling as bad as some are trying to imply, imho.

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    1- Pat Mahomes - 2687 yds (298.6 ypg) - 25 TDs - 1 INT - 66.9 compt% - 165 rushing yds (18.3 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 115.9 QBR - 87 TQBR
    2- Russell Wilson - 2541 yds (317.6 ypg) - 28 TDs - 8 INTs - 71 compt % - 265 rushing yds (33.1 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 117.1 QBR - 82 TQBR
    3- Aaron Rodgers - 2253 yds (281.6 ypg) - 24 TDs - 2 INTs - 67.5 compt% - 61 rushing yds (7.6 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 117.5 QBR - 87.6 TQBR
    4- Ben Roethlisberger - 1934 yds (241.8 ypg) - 18 TDs - 4 INTs - 68.2 compt% - 14 rushing yds (1.8 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 101.8 QBR - 65.6 TQBR
    5- Josh Allen - 2587 yds (287.4) - 19 TDs - 5 INTs - 68.9 compt% - 241 rushing yds (26.8 ypg) - 5 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 107.2 QBR - 82 TQBR

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    1- Pat Mahomes - 2687 yds (298.6 ypg) - 25 TDs - 1 INT - 66.9 compt% - 165 rushing yds (18.3 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 115.9 QBR - 87 TQBR
    2- Russell Wilson - 2541 yds (317.6 ypg) - 28 TDs - 8 INTs - 71 compt % - 265 rushing yds (33.1 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 117.1 QBR - 82 TQBR
    3- Aaron Rodgers - 2253 yds (281.6 ypg) - 24 TDs - 2 INTs - 67.5 compt% - 61 rushing yds (7.6 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 117.5 QBR - 87.6 TQBR
    4- Ben Roethlisberger - 1934 yds (241.8 ypg) - 18 TDs - 4 INTs - 68.2 compt% - 14 rushing yds (1.8 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 101.8 QBR - 65.6 TQBR
    5- Josh Allen - 2587 yds (287.4) - 19 TDs - 5 INTs - 68.9 compt% - 241 rushing yds (26.8 ypg) - 5 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 107.2 QBR - 82 TQBR
    But Lamar is averaging 30ppg and isn't really struggling. How is he not in your top five?

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    But Lamar is averaging 30ppg and isn't really struggling. How is he not in your top five?
    1) Are you really gonna keep this up, despite already capitulating your original "being figured out" take?

    2) Does not being on a top 5 MVP candidates list automatically mean a guy is struggling to you?

    3) Why the sudden change of skins son?
    Last edited by DAF86; 11-09-2020 at 08:18 PM.

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    1) Are you really gonna keep this up, despite already capitulating your original "being figured out" take?

    2) Does not being on a top 5 MVP candidates list automatically mean a guy is struggling to you?

    3) Why the sudden change of skins son?
    I'm asking you, if he's not struggling then why isn't he an MVP candidate in your list? Why are you trying to twist it?

    I'm pulling for Lamar to break out of his struggles.

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    I'm asking you, if he's not struggling then why isn't he an MVP candidate in your list? Why are you trying to twist it?

    I'm pulling for Lamar to break out of his struggles.
    Is Kyler Murray struggling? He isn't on my top 5 either.

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    It's got to be Mahomes and the field right now. That ratio.

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    Is Kyler Murray struggling? He isn't on my top 5 either.
    No, Kyler isn't struggling. He's having a nice season statistically. What a weird question.

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    No, Kyler isn't struggling. He's having a nice season statistically. What a weird question.
    Well, that means that being out of my top 5 MVP candidates doesn't automatically mean a player is struggling, tbh. Take that into consideration before you keep dumbing this thread down, tbh.

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    Well, that means that being out of my top 5 MVP candidates doesn't automatically mean a player is struggling, tbh. Take that into consideration before you keep dumbing this thread down, tbh.
    Lamar is struggling to tho. You have questions pending regarding his struggling.

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    Lamar is struggling to tho. You have questions pending regarding his struggling.
    You asked me "why isn't Lamar on your list if he isn't struggling?" As if being out of a top 5 MVP list means you are struggling. Do You realize how re ed that is? If You don't, you are re ed.

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    Struggle Winston is gonna fall off hard, tbh.

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    1- Pat Mahomes - 2687 yds (298.6 ypg) - 25 TDs - 1 INT - 66.9 compt% - 165 rushing yds (18.3 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 115.9 QBR - 87 TQBR
    2- Aaron Rodgers - 2578 yds (286.4 ypg) - 26 TDs - 3 INTs - 67.8 compt% - 65 rushing yds (7.2 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 116.4 QBR - 85.4 TQBR
    3- Russell Wilson - 2789 yds (309.9 ypg) - 28 TDs - 10 INTs - 69.8 compt % - 325 rushing yds (36.1 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 110.5 QBR - 76.3 TQBR
    4- Ben Roethlisberger - 2267 yds (251.9 ypg) - 22 TDs - 4 INTs - 66.8 compt% - 14 rushing yds (1.8 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 103 QBR - 67.5 TQBR
    5- Alvin Kamara - 486 rushing yds (54 ypg) - 4.7 ypc - 7 rushing TDs - 648 receiving yds (72 ypg) - 9.7 ypr - 4 receiving TDs

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    Struggle Winston is gonna fall off hard, tbh.
    "Falling off hard" = 1 spot

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    1- Pat Mahomes - 3035 yds (303.5 ypg) - 27 TDs - 2 INTS - 67.9 compt% - 187 rushing yds (18.7 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 114.3 QBR - 85.2 TQBR
    2- Aaron Rodgers - 2889 yds (288.9 ypg) - 29 TDs - 4 INTs - 68.2 compt% - 78 rushing yds (7.8 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 2 fumbles - 115.8 QBR - 84 TQBR
    3- Russell Wilson - 2986 yds (298.6 ypg) - 30 TDs - 10 INTs - 70.7 compt % - 367 rushing yds (36.7 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 6 fumbles - 111.5 QBR - 72.7 TQBR
    4- Ben Roethlisberger - 2534 yds (253.4 ypg) - 24 TDs - 5 INTs - 67.1 compt% - 14 rushing yds (1.4 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 101.4 QBR - 66.3 TQBR
    5- Alvin Kamara - 531 rushing yds (53.1 ypg) - 4.5 ypc - 8 rushing TDs - 648 receiving yds (64.8 ypg) - 9.7 ypr - 4 receiving TDs

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    If the Raiders won on Sunday, Carr would have entered the conversation tbh

    Mahomes is runaway #1 right now

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