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There's no evidence that mail-in voting leads to wide scale fraud. Facts don't care about your feelings.
Joe Biden won the debate, mostly by default, because Trump couldn't stop shooting himself in the foot last night.
It's strange because Trump performed MUCH better in his debates vs. Hillary. Perhaps he's out of practice. If this were a football game, Joe Biden won 31-17 with a ton of special teams mistakes by Trump squad.
Trump is clearly out of practice. You don't interrupt the moderator in the middle of his sentence every other time. You don't interrupt your opponent in the middle of his opening two-minute speech. You don't argue with the moderator directly like that. You don't come off harsh, angry, and aggressive. You don't interrupt your opponent every other sentence. You don't say crap like "I don't know Beau, but..." when he obviously knows about his military vet son that died young of brain cancer. You don't fail to denounce the KKK and white supremacy.
Biden made his share of mistakes, but, ironically, Trump actually helped him make LESS mistakes. Biden was stumbling and fumbling, but... Trump chronically interrupting him helped Biden get back on track and formulate concise, smooth statements that were addressed to the people, versus Trump's "attack Joe Biden at all costs, throw salt on the wound" strategy. Like Trump was going for it on 4th down & 13 all game long and it backfired. Ouch.
Biden's worst mistake was completely dodging the end of the opening stanza in Wallace's question regarding packing the courts and the like. Biden outright REFUSED to answer a yes-or-no question and cir vented it. That was a touchdown for Trump. And the final stanza, regarding the mail-in balloting, Trump won as well, because Biden's arguments for why there wouldn't be any mail-in fraud were very weak, and Trump actually (!) didn't interrupt Biden in Biden's opening 2-minute monologue in the final stanza.
However, it was too little, too late, and Trump's frequent interruptions, treating the moderator like manure and laughable violations of common debate standards (main problem) paired with his dodging of the white supremacy question (secondary problem) points to a clear Joe Biden victory for Debate I.
There's no evidence that mail-in voting leads to wide scale fraud. Facts don't care about your feelings.
Just pointing out that Trump's arguments were stronger and Biden, on the defensive, did not make a strong defensive retort to this besides "no evidence, blah blah blah"... 'no evidence' is not exoneration; he did not identify specific strategies that would prove to the US people that mail-in would be a 100% fraud-proof method of voting, which is what a lot of people including myself were looking for.
Also, early voting all the way into September is a farce, and should never happen again. COVID or not, it shouldn't have happened this time. Early voting should be a 2 week maximum and ALL VOTES MUST BE IN by Election Night or they should not count. Absentee ballots from the military overseas can be sent a few weeks early so they can get to the appropriate state ballot by or before Election Night. But there is no way that states shouldn't be able to be called by midnight local time on Election Night.
Hey everyone, I found the guy who accurately remembers 2016's debates /s
Also, Trump's healthcare defense arguments were absolutely weak and atrocious. No question Biden won the middle stanzas. "I have a beautiful healthcare plan"... WHAT? Be specific, man. Biden was being much more specific but he had a hard time completing sentences because Trump kept interrupting him calling him a socialist saying that he'd ins ute a socialized healthcare system like Bernie or Europe. Trump was being such an idiot there.
Based on the little I saw all it’s going to do is harden positions already in place.
we have known health care, and the biggest bestest plan, was a farce for his entire presidency. He had nothing and people know this, it’s just a matter of whether they care or not. I think this too was decided while ago. It is possible that people change their mind as some of the bills start trickling in, but most of this is going to happen a bit later.
they need to cancel any ideas of a 2nd stimulus, both trump and pelosi. The less government spending the better, BALANCE THE BUDGET YOU DUMB S
No evidence is the only argument he needs. The burden of proof is on Trump to provide evidence, you can add "blah blah blah" all you want to try and make the no evidence argument sound less credible but that doesn't change the fact there is no evidence.
States have authority under the cons ution to conduct elections as they want to. You can make up arbitrary rules to suppress votes all you want but states are thankfully ignoring what Trump s want.
The biggest reason states won't be called by election night is because Republican-controlled state legislatures in several states (Pennsylvania being one of them) refuse to change the law that currently prohibits counting mail-in ballots prior to election day. Per usual, you're falling for right wing propaganda and blaming Democrats for something that Republican state legislatures are actually doing.
The budget grew under Trump before COVID. Republicans love deficit spending a lot more than Democrats do.
Yeah, and if Trump has, say, a 48-44% lead in mail-in ballot swing states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, and then the mail-ins trickle in and he ends up losing in those states by, say, less than 1%, he's going to cry foul, investigate, recount, and attempt to seize long-term power of the country as a last resort. I see it happening already.
At least Romney (the only US presidential vote I actually physically cast for) stressed balance the budget... which is an actual tangible objective. "Make america great again..."... what the does that mean? That's subjective BS.
Precisely why the state legislatures controlled by your party refuse to change the law, they want to give Trump an avenue to throw the election into chaos and claim it was rigged.
Romney provided no specifics beyond how he was going to beyond "cut loopholes and deductions!" without saying what the loopholes and deductions were. Trump also said he'd cut the deficit but in the end he just cut taxes for rich people which is the same thing t Romney would have done.
Agreed, but I wouldn't call it "my party"-- I'm opposed to the two party system; as I am a right-leaning libertarian, not a traditional Republican per se. I think Trump has done some good things, especially on the economy and foreign policy but the Covid stuff especially the stimulus has been laughably bad.
The silver lining for the GOP for a Biden/Harris victory is that the Republicans have a good chance to hold the Senate in 2022 with a lot of swing state seats up for grabs then, while a Trump re-election victory almost guarantees that those guys lose in two years.
I agree with your explanation, but I would re-phrase the thread le differently.
I don’t believe Biden won the debate. I don’t believe he performed particularly well or impressively. More accurately, in my opinion, I believe Trump lost the debate.
Trump LA Clippered himself. It was an astonishing thing to watch, not in a good way.
Biden is right the corporate tax rate should be 28% not 21% for fortune 1000 companies, but individual taxes shouldn't be raised unless it's at least a million a year. $400,000 is too harsh. Especially if you have multiple jobs and children that add up to that much or a little more. Realistically, in many parts of the US, 400k a year is barely middle class.
I do think that loopholes and deductions for big corporations should be exterminated for the most part.... there should be a net profit cap.
Yeah Biden looked like a weak old man who couldn't control a 12 year old off his ritalin. Trump lobbed countless hanging curveballs at him that he whiffed on.
If a guy throws 2 pick sixes and has 2 fumbles, your team still 'lost' the game, even if it was self-destruction. The other team may have won by 'default', but a win is a win IMO.
You mean Wallace, tbh?
Dang, even OP thinks Trump lost
Didn't watch because I'm not into reality shows, but I read that both sucked
Both teams lost
Bernie trending on twitter
No, I mean Trump. There were multiple times Trump opened himself up to a no brainer attack from Biden but Biden couldn't hit on it.You mean Wallace, tbh?
This was definitely a missed opportunity for Trump more so than Biden though. Biden was clearly unprepared for Trump's antics and if Trump played it better he could have induced Biden to go into a stuttering frenzy. I don't see Biden being nearly as unprepared for the 2nd and 3rd debates now. Debating Trump is kinda like being a quarterback coming off an injury, you need to get hit a few times before you fully feel like you're back in the game.
Trump also needs to be a lot more careful bickering with female moderators than with Wallace, he's underwater with women.
Stick to getting triggered by Michael Jordan being alive still
Agree on these points; if there's a female moderator he best not interrupt and belittle her; and Biden's biggest chance to lose big was last night. Biden team and the DNC should be elated even if it was a stalemate, because they should be even or better in the second and third debates. Of course, there's always the chance that Biden completely stumbles and fumbles in one of the next two-- it's a lot more likely to happen to him than to Trump.
If Trump cleaned up the chronic interruptions, he should still have the upper hand in the remaining debates because Biden's answers are generally weak, but Biden is definitely "back in the game".
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