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    You can lead a horse to water...

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    well, it's Qhris... very low energy, very low bar...

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    Incorrect.

    They found plenty of collusion. Collusion is a general term, and easily includes all sorts of secret meetings and discussions. Manafort with Kilimnik, Trump tower, meetings with Russian diplomats, etc.

    They didn't find sufficient evidence of criminal conspiracy. Mueller stated that he just didn't have access to the people who would really prove that out, i.e. Russian intelligence agents.

    Don't take my word for it.

    Read the report.

    or go back a bit and find where TSA realized that Mueller did find evidence of things that met the regular definition of "collusion" and stopped using that word. That should be your biggest indicator about that.

    Huge difference between "no evidence of collusion" and "insufficient evidence of criminal conspiracy".

    Gotta credit right wing propaganda on making people believe the latter was really the former.
    directly from the report.



    they identified contacts, not coordination. i'm well aware that collusion is a colloquial and not a legal term, but even that by definition requires some degree of coordination or cooperation. you have to let this one go, brah




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    Chinese collusion

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    directly from the report.



    they identified contacts, not coordination. i'm well aware that collusion is a colloquial and not a legal term, but even that by definition requires some degree of coordination or cooperation. you have to let this one go, brah




    are you taking in to consideration the refusal to comply with subpoenas from the trump crew? Or the instances of outright lies they told to investigators cited in the report?

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    are you taking in to consideration the refusal to comply with subpoenas from the trump crew? Or the instances of outright lies they told to investigators cited in the report?
    i think there was a legitimate case for obstruction of justice and the dems in congress pussied out

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    Tell you what, I'm not going to read it either since it's from unknown provenance.

    I'll let you give me the cliff notes, so we can all have a laugh together.
    Forgive the formatting from transfer of a PDF. Let me know which one's you want to dive in to

    SUMMARY
    1.Joe Biden’scompromising partnershipwith the Communist Party of Chinaruns viaYang Jiechi(CPC’s Central Foreign Affairs Commission).YANG metfrequentlywith BIDENduring his tenure at the Chinese embassy in Washington.
    2.Hunter Biden’s2013 Bohai Harvest Rosemont investment partnership was set-up by Ministry of Foreign Affairs ins utionsdesigned to garner influence with foreign leaders during YANG’s tenure as Foreign Minister.
    3.HUNTER has a direct line to the Politburo, according to SOURCE A, a senior finance professional in China.
    4.Michael Lin brokered the BHRpartnershipand partners with MOFAforeign influence organizations.
    5.LIN is a POI for his work on behalf of China, as confirmed by SOURCE B and SOURCEC(at two separate national intelligence agencies).
    6.BHR is a state managed operation. Leading shareholder in BHRis a Bank of China and BHR’s partnersare SOEsthatfunnel revenue/assets to BHR.
    7.HUNTERcontinues to hold 10%in BHR. He visited China in 2010 and met with major Chinese government financial companies that would later back BHR.
    8.HUNTER’s BHR stake (purchasedfor $400,000)is now likely be worth approx. $50 million(fees and capital appreciation based onBHR’s $6.5 billion AUM).
    9.HUNTER also did business with Chinese tycoons linked with the Chinese militaryand against the interests of US national security.
    10.BIDEN’s foreign policy stance towards China(formerly hawkish), has since turned positive despite China’scountry’s rising geopolitical assertiveness.

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    Tell me again why the Steele dossier was shady?

    Steele's main source was a Russian agent and Russia knew he was compiling a dossier. Any more stupid questions?

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    Yes, I’m sorry you haven’t seen the native email yet.
    You're sorry that you think it more logical to give a fake affidavit to an incredibly biased "news" outlet rather than posting the email (that the guy claims to have) online? What are you saying here - use your words not your memes.

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    You're sorry that you think it more logical to give a fake affidavit to an incredibly biased "news" outlet rather than posting the email (that the guy claims to have) online? What are you saying here - use your words not your memes.
    he can’t

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    Trump is really trying to replicate all of 2016 key moments.

    He thinks bringing out this guy who Biden himself probably doesn't even know will have the same effect as Bill's s?

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    Trump is really trying to replicate all of 2016 key moments.

    He thinks bringing out this guy who Biden himself probably doesn't even know will have the same effect as Bill's s?

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    Forgive the formatting from transfer of a PDF. Let me know which one's you want to dive in to

    SUMMARY
    1.Joe Biden’scompromising partnershipwith the Communist Party of Chinaruns viaYang Jiechi(CPC’s Central Foreign Affairs Commission).YANG metfrequentlywith BIDENduring his tenure at the Chinese embassy in Washington.
    2.Hunter Biden’s2013 Bohai Harvest Rosemont investment partnership was set-up by Ministry of Foreign Affairs ins utionsdesigned to garner influence with foreign leaders during YANG’s tenure as Foreign Minister.
    3.HUNTER has a direct line to the Politburo, according to SOURCE A, a senior finance professional in China.
    4.Michael Lin brokered the BHRpartnershipand partners with MOFAforeign influence organizations.
    5.LIN is a POI for his work on behalf of China, as confirmed by SOURCE B and SOURCEC(at two separate national intelligence agencies).
    6.BHR is a state managed operation. Leading shareholder in BHRis a Bank of China and BHR’s partnersare SOEsthatfunnel revenue/assets to BHR.
    7.HUNTERcontinues to hold 10%in BHR. He visited China in 2010 and met with major Chinese government financial companies that would later back BHR.
    8.HUNTER’s BHR stake (purchasedfor $400,000)is now likely be worth approx. $50 million(fees and capital appreciation based onBHR’s $6.5 billion AUM).
    9.HUNTER also did business with Chinese tycoons linked with the Chinese militaryand against the interests of US national security.
    10.BIDEN’s foreign policy stance towards China(formerly hawkish), has since turned positive despite China’scountry’s rising geopolitical assertiveness.
    Thank you. Nothing to dive into, really, looks like another nothingburger, provided it's true at all.

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    Trump is really trying to replicate all of 2016 key moments.

    He thinks bringing out this guy who Biden himself probably doesn't even know will have the same effect as Bill's s?
    Biden most definitely knows him.


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    premiere intelligence firm can't even host it's own website... sounds completely legit

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    directly from the report.



    they identified contacts, not coordination. i'm well aware that collusion is a colloquial and not a legal term, but even that by definition requires some degree of coordination or cooperation. you have to let this one go, brah



    again, "did not establish" is not the same as "no evidence".

    He admitted he couldn't get sufficient evidence to establish, and where he didn't have any evidence he said that explicitly.

    Manafort gave a Russian asset internal polling/voter data in the middle of Russian efforts to interfere in the election. Sorry man, that seems pretty clear to me. Mueller couldn't get Kilimnik on the stand, so proving what happened to that data is not something we are ever really going to get a handle on.

    Serious question:

    What do you think Russian intelligence would have done with detailed voter information of the kind that campaigns compile in 2016?

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    [hunter Biden's "laptop" is really really important]
    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    so does trump employing his family in powerful positions and them profiting in their personal businesses because of it bother you? yes or no. if not then shut the up
    I'll need a detailed report on Trump's family just like the one I provided you. Read the one I linked and then provide a similar one on Trump and then we can discuss. If you refuse to read the link then shut the up.
    [hunter biden's "laptop" is really important]
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    premiere intelligence firm can't even host it's own website... sounds completely legit
    Eyup. MY thoughts exactly.

    Skeezy Bannon operation MO all over the place.

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    You're sorry that you think it more logical to give a fake affidavit to an incredibly biased "news" outlet rather than posting the email (that the guy claims to have) online? What are you saying here - use your words not your memes.
    He's already handing over do ents to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. I have no reason to believe he is also forging do ents at the same time.

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    Biden most definitely knows him.

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    Thank you. Nothing to dive into, really, looks like another nothingburger, provided it's true at all.
    George folds.

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    Biden most definitely knows him.

    Don't forget you guys told us Joe was forgetful and pretty much a zombie up to about a week ago, tbh...

    He might not very well remember this person at all...

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