TD one of only few stars to go games one year. At the end of day LBJ is a truly great baller but one overly idolized by BSPN and SI who feasted on pathetic East for years and never had to go through Shaq or Kobe or even Suns or even now Clips to get to finals and remains 4-6 in those despite peripatetic ways and setting things up to win as much as possible. Finally based on his ageless performance, his lack of injuries and his build will always be su ious he is using something. Give me Duncan starting a team period better winner and like Russell that is what counts.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YaKILPV78DU
Not proof but lays out what many feel may be true
If LeBron's Cavs and Heat were in the West and Duncan's Spurs were in the East for their respective careers, would Duncan have had more Finals appearances than LeBron? The East has been the inferior conference for a long time.
The if game is somewhat charming and fun, but also unverifiable conjecture to give the impression it’s pseudo fact or a real argument based on real facts. It’s neither. Wait... oh but if LeBron played in the West. And if Jordan was born 10 years earlier and his 90s prime was in the Magic-Bird dominated 80s. Well if Allen Iverson were 6’6.
If changes facts. If is not reality. If is fiction.
So flip it and consider a different if.
If Duncan were drafted by Cleveland and LeBron drafted by San Antonio, would Duncan have stayed in Cleveland his entire career and finished with zero les, and would LeBron have hopped from team to team even after winning multiple rings with the Spurs?
If whatever changes, can LeBron please not be as good as he’s been... *tear*
May have
At the Poker table
i love how its "may have" when theres no proof with mj, but with lebron its an absolute certainty despite there also being no proof
0-3 at what?
LBJ defying age with a build far superior to Jordan and the ability to use these agents and get away with it is likely higher. Why the love of LBJ?
i never said lebron didn't or doesn't use. i honestly dont know. i understand why people might think he is. however, with there being no proof, i have no reason to think he is. he honestly just seems like a freakish natural athlete, like bo jackson. some people are simply like that. and at this point of his career, its not just his athleticism that gets him by, hes simply smarter than everyone he plays against, and that's always been probably his best basketball quality. even in games, he doesnt just mindlessly throw his body around wrecklessly, hes very careful and calculated in his approach to the game, especially during the regular season.
we also know its well do ented that lebron has a level of focus to his diet, workout, routines, etc... that few people have ever seen before
would i be shocked if he used PEDs? no. but then again, i wouldn't be shocked if 98% of athletes have used PEDs at some point of their career, including timmy.
Jordan was bailed out by Kerr. Paxson, Armstrong and Stern , find another narrative
Where do you rank Bird and Magic?
Kareem - real GOAT from UCLA on
Jordan
Russell
Wilt - could flip with Russell but rings count at least some
Bird - can move down 2 but at his best is here
LBJ
Duncan
Magic - career shortened or a spot or two higher
Big O
Shaq
Kobe
Hakeem
I like your list
Magic or LeBron is the decision. I have Bird still above both but it is close. Larry and Duncan are still the gold standard for Forwards but LeBron has opportunity to overtake.
Somewhere in the 5-7 range for both.
I view the two having very similar careers, similar individual success, similar team success, careers similarly cut short (Magic actually played more regular season games than Bird in the same number of seasons), similar cult impact on the game. I’d probably have Magic edge Bird slightly because I think at his height playing lead guard was revolutionary at the time. But I would not argue much with anyone suggesting Bird was better. I think the two are a coin toss tbh.
If you're starting a new team, statistically you'd be better off betting on the guy that did it on 3 separate teams, just saying
Fair enough
Prime for prime I have Bird and I rank him higher
But again as you said, if’s are hypothetical
Jordan made them a household name. Can’t say the same for Bosh/Wade/Allen, Kyrie/Love/JR or Davis/Rondo/Dwert.
Stacking the deck in advance or even missing playoffs till savior AD arrived.
Let’s see , Lebron got bailed out by a HOFer
Jordan got bailed out by one dimensional scrubs like BJ, Paxson or Kerr
That’s not better
Good lord, all I did was ask a question. And make a statement that the numbers bear out. Calm down.
Meanwhile a couple of these greats went at it and of course no pass here
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-kob...143227091.html
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