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    Yeah COVID is surging
    Well no , it's October and the sun is headed down under... massive cold front across the US... surprise surprise? It's 40 degrees in SAN ANTONIO right now.

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    Well no , it's October and the sun is headed down under... massive cold front across the US... surprise surprise? It's 40 degrees in SAN ANTONIO right now.
    MAGA s now pretending this surge was inevitable after they believed Trump when he said it’d be gone by Easter.

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    McConnell knows it’s over, time to save himself
    You mean time to the country as much as possible since he expects a Biden victory and wants to hand him a completely ed nation.

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    MAGA s now pretending this surge was inevitable after they believed Trump when he said it’d be gone by Easter.
    Me? Nope. Ever since early March my expectation was that it would be at least a 9 month issue, similar to the swine flu. Best case scenario was SARS 2003 where it did end by summertime. That's why I left my company badge and laptop back in Louisville on March 13th; otherwise, I'd be looking at over $50 in shipping fees.

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    Are you trying to be a bachelor or start a family? Chances are you'll fall in love with an Eastern woman fairly early. If you want to bang a buncha chicks just live near the Mexican border since you'll have promiscuous Western women too.

    Eastern Europe is where you fall in love traveling and then settle down. Start a family. Live a simple, safe and valued life.
    I do want to have a family .......and also take vacation trips around the world and make love to and breed other women on the side and have illigitimate children with them and facetime/zoom/skype them across the world.

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    You mean time to the country as much as possible since he expects a Biden victory and wants to hand him a completely ed nation.
    PPT is on it, we snapped right back from that nasty 600 point dive right after opening bell.

    (Senate adjourns without passing COVID-19 assistance.)

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    Iceland...

    Good luck. Socialist as they get, dumbass.
    I would accept a little mild socialism in favor of cool weather (not constantly freezing, but nice and cool, kind of like the weather Texas is having today) and free healthcare. I ing HATE patient-pay healthcare. Healthcare should be a right, not a privilege. However, I believe education is a privilege, not a right.

    In my sim cities back in the day I would plop disease research centers, clinics and hospitals all over my city, fund them to the max, but not subsidize public education, only build private schools and only fund the university. My city would be flourishing with middle class people and the average life expectancy was like 97.

    "Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" == anyone who says healthcare should be patient-pay instead of subsidized, doesn't believe life is a right.

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    I would accept a little mild socialism in favor of cool weather (not constantly freezing, but nice and cool, kind of like the weather Texas is having today) and free healthcare. I ing HATE patient-pay healthcare. Healthcare should be a right, not a privilege. However, I believe education is a privilege, not a right.

    In my sim cities back in the day I would plop disease research centers, clinics and hospitals all over my city, fund them to the max, but not subsidize public education, only build private schools and only fund the university. My city would be flourishing with middle class people and the average life expectancy was like 97.

    "Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" == anyone who says healthcare should be patient-pay instead of subsidized, doesn't believe life is a right.
    “Patient-pay healthcare” is a great saying tbh

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    “Patient-pay healthcare” is a great saying tbh
    would have been a great running point for joe biden, but it's too late tbh. Patient-pay healthcare is probably my #1 gripe with the GOP. #2 would be the over religious stuff like banning early term abortion. I am against abortion after 16 weeks though.

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    In fact, I may have just defected from Trump just this morning on the thought of patient-pay healthcare. It's bull and pay transparency is a major problem. Providers should NOT be allowed to bill people only by mail (with no electronic option) and honestly, patients should not be responsible for a penny beyond what they pay at the counter at the time of the office visit/appointment. It's bull and unfair that it negatively hurts their credit score and basically right to own a home, even a car.

    Although, the Obamacare options in Texas are downright lousy. My mom had Oscar (the tiest ACA company ever) and the doctors gave her a 1963 era iPad-sized pacemaker instead of one of the modern ones, when she didn't even really need a pacemaker. The doctors ed her over and charged $100K for a ty pacemaker. My mom only had to pay $1K out of pocket, but, for the worst pacemaker in the industry that only lasts 3 years instead of one of the modern ones that last 7-12 years. It was bull . ACA in Texas is bull . It might be better elsewhere, not sure.

    Personally I'm in favor of scrapping the ACA altogether (yes, the individual mandate was the worst part) and implementing socialized medicine. They wouldn't have to raise taxes all that significantly really. But the red states down south are way too deeply embedded in patient-pay healthcare, so they'll have to figure out how to cir vent the 10th amendment, which is an amendment I'm all for repealing.

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    In fact, I may have just defected from Trump just this morning on the thought of patient-pay healthcare. It's bull and pay transparency is a major problem. Providers should NOT be allowed to bill people only by mail (with no electronic option) and honestly, patients should not be responsible for a penny beyond what they pay at the counter at the time of the office visit/appointment. It's bull and unfair that it negatively hurts their credit score and basically right to own a home, even a car.

    Although, the Obamacare options in Texas are downright lousy. My mom had Oscar (the tiest ACA company ever) and the doctors gave her a 1963 era iPad-sized pacemaker instead of one of the modern ones, when she didn't even really need a pacemaker. The doctors ed her over and charged $100K for a ty pacemaker. My mom only had to pay $1K out of pocket, but, for the worst pacemaker in the industry that only lasts 3 years instead of one of the modern ones that last 7-12 years. It was bull . ACA in Texas is bull . It might be better elsewhere, not sure.

    Personally I'm in favor of scrapping the ACA altogether (yes, the individual mandate was the worst part) and implementing socialized medicine. They wouldn't have to raise taxes all that significantly really. But the red states down south are way too deeply embedded in patient-pay healthcare, so they'll have to figure out how to cir vent the 10th amendment, which is an amendment I'm all for repealing.
    You will never get any kind of healthcare or insurance reform from the Republican party. Ever.

    They are too deeply bought out by their donor class, which includes a lot of industries buying "business friendly" politicians. Dems are little better at the moment.

    Republicans are also hogtied by their "no taxes" pledge that most of them have signed (Norquist). Going back on that means getting primaried as "not conservative enough".

    They have painted themselves into a morally and intellectually bankrupt position.

    Health care is simply not something that the free market really offers any kind of reasonable solution for, simply due to the economic concept of elasticity.

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    Health care is simply not something that the free market really offers any kind of reasonable solution for, simply due to the economic concept of elasticity.
    Agreed, healthcare is extremely difficult to solve and manage. Demand is inelastic so a vertical line instead of a curve/diagonal line. But you actually don't need higher taxes to solve the problem if you can sequester other crap like foreign aid, foreign wars, green projects, get rid of medicaid, CHIP and ACA in favor of socialized medicine.

    Still, you can't forget about life expectancies in Scandinavian countries and other parts of Europe being in the high 80s approaching 90, whereas the USA has been stuck on 80-81 since the 1970s.

    Say diet all you want, but, they eat a lot of carbs and sweets in Europe too, and they live almost a decade longer on average. What's the gap, tbh?!??

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    would have been a great running point for joe biden, but it's too late tbh. Patient-pay healthcare is probably my #1 gripe with the GOP. #2 would be the over religious stuff like banning early term abortion. I am against abortion after 16 weeks though.
    Would have been a great running point for every Democrat. The Dems are bad at stuff like that though, when Republicans have an agenda they get in a room and determine how they’re going to sell it. After that it’s a unified front and they’re delivering the message over and over again until your ears are bleeding.

    I’d be fine with banning abortion after 20 weeks (outside of instances when the moms life is in danger) if in exchange is meant abortion was no longer used as a political football.

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    Agreed, healthcare is extremely difficult to solve and manage. Demand is inelastic so a vertical line instead of a curve/diagonal line. But you actually don't need higher taxes to solve the problem if you can sequester other crap like foreign aid, foreign wars, green projects, get rid of medicaid, CHIP and ACA in favor of socialized medicine.

    Still, you can't forget about life expectancies in Scandinavian countries and other parts of Europe being in the high 80s approaching 90, whereas the USA has been stuck on 80-81 since the 1970s.

    Say diet all you want, but, they eat a lot of carbs and sweets in Europe too, and they live almost a decade longer on average. What's the gap, tbh?!??
    What percentage of the federal budget do you think is foreign aid?

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    Agreed, healthcare is extremely difficult to solve and manage. Demand is inelastic so a vertical line instead of a curve/diagonal line. But you actually don't need higher taxes to solve the problem if you can sequester other crap like foreign aid, foreign wars, green projects, get rid of medicaid, CHIP and ACA in favor of socialized medicine.

    Still, you can't forget about life expectancies in Scandinavian countries and other parts of Europe being in the high 80s approaching 90, whereas the USA has been stuck on 80-81 since the 1970s.

    Say diet all you want, but, they eat a lot of carbs and sweets in Europe too, and they live almost a decade longer on average. What's the gap, tbh?!??
    Poverty. Lack of a social safety net.

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    Would have been a great running point for every Democrat. The Dems are bad at stuff like that though, when Republicans have an agenda they get in a room and determine how they’re going to sell it. After that it’s a unified front and they’re delivering the message over and over again until your ears are bleeding.

    I’d be fine with banning abortion after 20 weeks (outside of instances when the moms life is in danger) if in exchange is meant abortion was no longer used as a political football.
    that's the only exception tbh but it needs to be signed by multiple accredited doctors, not just one. If it's a financial or personal decision to abort it should be done within the first trimester honestly. Also, rape is not an excuse for a mid or late term abortion. There is no evidence that a baby formed through forced sexual intercourse turns out less healthy or viable or smart than a baby conceived through consensual sex.

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    What percentage of the federal budget do you think is foreign aid?
    Find. End all proxy wars. Including Shillary's crap in Libya. Bashar Assad is NOT our enemy, fwiw.

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    that's the only exception tbh but it needs to be signed by multiple accredited doctors, not just one. If it's a financial or personal decision to abort it should be done within the first trimester honestly. Also, rape is not an excuse for a mid or late term abortion. There is no evidence that a baby formed through forced sexual intercourse turns out less healthy or viable or smart than a baby conceived through consensual sex.
    I don’t mean to trivialize rape but 20 weeks (4+ months) is enough time to make a decision, even for a woman who’s been raped. Like I said, only exception after 20 weeks would be a health issue.

    But again, the only way I’d ever be OK with a ban on abortions past 20 weeks is if there were no restrictions on abortions before 20 weeks and women had easy access during that time. Conservatives would never agree to that because they need to be able to use abortion as a political football for dumb evangelicals who don’t have a pot to piss in vote Republican.

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    I don’t mean to trivialize rape but 20 weeks (4+ months) is enough time to make a decision, even for a woman who’s been raped. Like I said, only exception after 20 weeks would be a health issue.

    But again, the only way I’d ever be OK with a ban on abortions past 20 weeks is if there were no restrictions on abortions before 20 weeks and women had easy access during that time. Conservatives would never agree to that because they need to be able to use abortion as a political football for dumb evangelicals who don’t have a pot to piss in vote Republican.
    White evangelicals who don't have a pot to piss in would vote Republican without abortion too, because they'd still have Jim Crow to vote for.

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    I can't stand white evangelicals. They are against abortion but then also are against social programs like welfare, child care, housing, etc. Forcing women who don't want the burden of raising a child they can't afford to do it with no assistance is crazy.

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    I don’t mean to trivialize rape but 20 weeks (4+ months) is enough time to make a decision, even for a woman who’s been raped. Like I said, only exception after 20 weeks would be a health issue.

    But again, the only way I’d ever be OK with a ban on abortions past 20 weeks is if there were no restrictions on abortions before 20 weeks and women had easy access during that time. Conservatives would never agree to that because they need to be able to use abortion as a political football for dumb evangelicals who don’t have a pot to piss in vote Republican.
    The anatomy ultrasound typically happens near the 20-week mark, and this is also where fetal heartbeat anomalies are found. In some cases those anomalies point to fatal conditions and the mother/parents have to decide with their doctor whether it's worth bringing a child into the world to potentially live on a breathing tube. Less than 1% of abortions happen after 20 weeks and they're almost always health-related. They're basically never cases of the mother "changing her mind" about having a baby. 24 weeks gives these parents a little more breathing room to monitor their baby's condition and make the right choice with their doctor.

    This is a good (long) article written by an OB/GYN friend of mine about her experience and her thoughts on the 20 week ban.
    https://www.scarymommy.com/why-a-20-...for-all-women/

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    The anatomy ultrasound typically happens near the 20-week mark, and this is also where fetal heartbeat anomalies are found. In some cases those anomalies point to fatal conditions and the mother/parents have to decide with their doctor whether it's worth bringing a child into the world to potentially live on a breathing tube. Less than 1% of abortions happen after 20 weeks and they're almost always health-related. They're basically never cases of the mother "changing her mind" about having a baby. 24 weeks gives these parents a little more breathing room to monitor their baby's condition and make the right choice with their doctor.

    This is a good (long) article written by an OB/GYN friend of mine about her experience and her thoughts on the 20 week ban.
    https://www.scarymommy.com/why-a-20-...for-all-women/
    Yeah I knew almost no abortions happened after 20 weeks which is why I’m fine with banning them after 20 weeks, but 24 weeks is fine with me too if that actually makes a difference in being able to monitor the baby’s health.

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    You mean time to the country as much as possible since he expects a Biden victory and wants to hand him a completely ed nation.
    that's exactly the Repug strategy.

    Trash and Repugs in full "Nero Decree" mode so Biden/Dems will inherit, be pre-occupied with a Repug smoking carnage, which the Repugs will try to extend into 2022 campaign, just like 2009-2010
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    Yeah I knew almost no abortions happened after 20 weeks which is why I’m fine with banning them after 20 weeks, but 24 weeks is fine with me too if that actually makes a difference in being able to monitor the baby’s health.
    Personally, I don't think that the government should be interfering at all in the decisions made between women and doctors.

    You and I both know, the religious right, if you give them that will not be satisfied.

    "Meet me in the middle" says the unfair man.

    "Thank you for taking a step in my direction." (steps back a step)

    "Meet me in the middle" says the unfair man.

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    You mean time to the country as much as possible since he expects a Biden victory and wants to hand him a completely ed nation.
    That is exactly what I expect to happen.

    Some will see the writing on the wall, and will refuse unlawful orders.

    We are long past the time where competent people or principled people who might know the difference would be in a lot of positions might say no.

    Certainly looks like we are careening towards a massive e or the 'rona. That ery could have some serious life-threatening effects.

    If it gets bad, the GOP will take all of the blame in voters minds. That stain will not come out easily.

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