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    Not a big deal in 2020, amirite?


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    If I were / am mad it would be appropriate. I don't take the theft of The Republic so lightly.

    As it is, you're the one in a tizzy.
    As it is, Biden president, NOT Trump, and that drives you off a wall

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    defending The Republic by overturning free and fair elections...

    do you even think before you post?

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    ^^^

    Begging / Pearl Clutching/ Derping

    More of the same.

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    ^^^

    Begging / Pearl Clutching/ Derping

    More of the same.
    derp folds... too easy

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    Just stumbled on to this (the comments are also interesting)



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    You'll need to unpack this comment. All by itself it doesn't make sense.

    To what "uncons utional defense" are you referring?

    For which active case(s) is Bush v Gore a precedent? Can you explain how it is a precedent?

    (I'm not a lawyer, so go easy on me, hoss.)
    Bush v Gore isn't going to be helpful to Trump in any way. If anything, it laid further precedent as to the finality of the selection of electors by the safe harbor period

    Because it is evident that any recount seeking to meet 3 U. S. C. § 5's December 12 "safe-harbor" date would be uncons utional under the Equal Protection Clause, the Florida Supreme Court's judgment ordering manual recounts is reversed.
    Because the Florida Supreme Court has said that the Florida Legislature intended to obtain the safe-harbor benefits of 3 U. S. C. § 5, JUSTICE BREYER'S proposed remedy-remanding to the Florida Supreme Court for its ordering of a cons utionally proper contest until December 18-contemplates action in violation of the Florida Election Code, and hence could not be part of an "appropriate" order authorized by Fla. Stat. Ann. § 102.168(8)
    not to mention, bush v gore was not about throwing out swaths of ballots, it was about gore's right to a state-wide hand recount, which, again, is a remedy that Trump has already been granted in Georgia. he only requested a partial recount in WI which was also granted.

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    If I were / am mad it would be appropriate. I don't take the theft of The Republic so lightly.

    As it is, you're the one in a tizzy.
    No, you're mad because everyone calls you Derp, Derp ®️.

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    No, you're mad because everyone calls you Derp, Derp ®️.
    You're a self admitted cuckold. Come to terms.

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    Precedent: (1876)South Carolina, Florida, and Louisiana had such fraud, a committee was formed to award those EC Votes. They threw out the people's votes.
    The election of 1876 was the biggest mess ever, but the fact that it happened doesn't make it a precedent for 2020. The facts aren't similar.

    The controversies in South Carolina, Florida, and Louisiana in 1876 did indeed arise from fraud, but fraud was never adjudicated. The dispute Congress had to settle and had no roadmap for, was how to count disputed electors.

    We have a cons utional roadmap now, described above and elsewhere ITT. Another difference in 2020 is that a clear majority of electors (over 270) are not disputed, but have already been awarded to the winner of the popular vote in those states and filed with the US archivist. AFAIK there is no precedent for decertifying presidential electors. But, supposing that Trump's suits seeking decertification can succeed, they would be time limited; the Electoral College will vote on Dec. 14th no matter what. Therefore, under the US Cons ution (Article II, Section 1) and US law ( 3 US Code 5) the deadline for the conclusion of any election challenges is Dec. 8th. Even Trump has acknowledged this.

    In order to beat Biden, trump would not only have to decertify electors, he'd have to nullify a handful of state elections and have their electors awarded to him. Again, before Dec. 8th.

    I'm alive to the argument that a candidate who wins by fraud is not a properly elected officeholder, indeed, that's one reason for the safe harbor provision, to allow sfor challenges. In this case, Trump has offered nothing more than a mountain of hearsay and gale of conclusory allegations, as evidenced by his post-election track record in court: 1-46. He'll need a lot more than that to overturn the election and frankly, he's hasn't much time to develop the facts. The judicial branch isn't going to hand Donald Trump the election because its spidey sense tingles, he's going to to have to meet a legal standard of proof in court. In some states (e'g., Nevada,) that standard will be "clear and convincing evidence." So far, team Trump has failed to meet the legal burden 46 times.
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    You're a self admitted cuckold. Come to terms.
    You're Derp®️ no matter how many times you try to shed the label.

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    Just stumbled on to this (the comments are also interesting)

    yeah. there it is. even without fraud, they want to overturn the results of the election.

    this is the path to fascism, not victory.

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    You're Derp®️ no matter how many times you try to shed the label.
    Self admitted cuckold trying to act big. But we all know the deal.

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    We have a cons utional roadmap now
    Always have had it. Illegitimate elections don't decide who is president. Come to terms.

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    yeah. there it is. even without fraud, they want to overturn the results of the election.

    this is the path to fascism, not victory.
    The Electoral College is creaky, Rube Goldberg, anti-majoritarian bull . We need to can it before it cans our country.

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    yeah. there it is. even without fraud, they want to overturn the results of the election.

    this is the path to fascism, not victory.

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    Self admitted cuckold trying to act big. But we all know the deal.
    Well yeah we all know you're the board Derp®️

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    Chris giving the thumbs up to fascism. Neat.

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    The Electoral College is creaky, Rube Goldberg, anti-majoritarian bull . We need to can it before it cans our country.
    Current Republicans will never vote to get rid of it

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    Always have had it. Illegitimate elections don't decide who is president.
    I agree that fraud shouldn't be allowed to determine election winners, but Trump & Co. have failed to meet any legal standard of proof in court. Fraud remains unproven. Indeed, under his own name Trump hasn't alleged any fraud in court until today.(AZ and GA afaik)

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    Chris giving the thumbs up to fascism. Neat.
    Chris makes no bones about it. He thinks DJT is the second coming of King Cyrus.

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    I agree that fraud shouldn't be allowed to determine election winners, but Trump & Co. have failed to meet any legal standard of proof in court. Fraud remains unproven. Indeed, under his own name Trump hasn't alleged any fraud in court until today.(AZ and GA afaik)
    Everyone can see the fraud at this point, dip .

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    why would you want a democratic election to be overturned even without fraud?

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    They wouldn't want to wipe the machines if they were innocent.


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    Voters pe ion Michigan Legislature to audit election results, call SOS under oath

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