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    Don't get it wrong, money comes before god...
    After discussing multiple times with conservative christians in the US, I know that they are just full of . They don't care about the needy, they just use religion to judge others. The silver lining is that if god exist, the vast majority of them will go to .

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    Interesting how a country so christian as the US cares so little about providing healthcare to its inhabitants.
    USA isn't a country, certainly not a Christian country, it's serfdom under Lord Capitalism.

    The serfs have no power, enslaved to ty jobs for ty pay and enslaved to debt.

    Capitalism cares only about amassing more Capital, no matter the costs to others.

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    Some of you think American healthcare is special and we need to pay 5x, 10x, sometimes 50x more than what's paid in the rest of the world for the same drug, procedure, etc, and for similar if not sometimes worse outcomes. It's like some of you won't stop fighting hard for BigPharma, BigInsurance, BigHospital, etc to continue to you repeatedly in the ass. The current system is broken because costs are out of control. It's crazy that Medicare is the number one payer of health services in this country (by a wide margin) and has zero power to negotiate prices like private companies do. It's not the only issue with cost, but it's a glaring example of a system designed to fail.

    Healthcare tied to employment is another disaster made in America to ensure that if you happen to be temporarily disabled and lose your job/become unemployable (exactly at the moment you would need health coverage the most), you will go bankrupt until you can qualify for Medicaid (which basically requires you to be ing broke before you can qualify). Permanent disability? It takes two years for Medicare to kick in, just to make sure you did go bankrupt before you actually start getting benefits. How about private insurance? Once you're old enough and actually need healthcare the most, they kick you out to the government. Ain't that a sweet ing deal?

    It's going to be almost 80 years since the UK figured this out, and pretty much the rest of the world followed suit. But not America, no, there's some really special flavor of stupid here for some reason.
    The problem isn't legal, there's nothing illegal about a government funded service, and it's not corporate either: corporations would absolutely love to stop having to pay for insurance for their employees. There's some on the education side, but it's primarily a political problem. Too much lobbying money exchanging hands, and too many interests.
    That knockoff drug, procedure, etc originated somewhere. Now what are the chances that might have been here? Or I guess we should wait for China or Russia or whoever to come up with those procedures, drugs/vaccines and just copy them.

    You seem to be forgetting your precious Obamacare which was designed to avoid your second paragraph.

    UK, Canada, etc. - pardon me if I don't want to be waiting months for procedures or begging for vaccines, giving one dose (out of 2 doses) to everyone or mixing vaccines (yeah, let's follow the science). The problem is partly legal - here in the US doctors can be SUED - they can lose everything and the government isn't going to be protecting them against lawsuits - I doubt that is happening in the UK or Canada if the doctors mess up. The educational system is not like UK or Canada where you could go to university for what $10k? These US doctors come out with hundreds of thousands of dollar in debt. And corporate - do you think BigPharma, BigInsurance, BigHospital, etc. is going to take this lying down - no, they would be fighting tooth and nail against it. You might not like the situation/facts - but that's how it is. Oh, thanks, add political system to that too. Good luck changing all that.
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    And while we're at it - we should definitely go for national/federal $15 minimum wage - AND pay the doctors and surgeons what their counterparts in UK and Canada get paid. Let see how many people go into the medical field then.

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    Or put our students into tracks - you only score this on such and such tests so you can only go into these fields - let's see how that goes down.

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    And while we're at it - we should definitely go for national/federal $15 minimum wage - AND pay the doctors and surgeons what their counterparts in UK and Canada get paid. Let see how many people go into the medical field then.
    you'd think that with good salaries, the US would have a lot of doctors. They are way below the OCDE average


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    Raising the age of retirement and Medicare is so perfectly typical American sadism, cruelty.

    People of that age often have been laid off because of ageism, can't find jobs, not with a livable wage and benefits, AND need medical care they can't afford.

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    you'd think that with good salaries, the US would have a lot of doctors. They are way below the OCDE average

    That's because almost everyone is over-qualified (probably because of lawsuits) - surgeons take years to do residency, specialties, etc. A pharmacist must graduate with a Doctor of Pharmacy to practice, a physical therapist must have a Doctor of Physical Therapy, etc.

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    That's because almost everyone is over-qualified (probably because of lawsuits) - surgeons take years to do residency, specialties, etc. A pharmacist must graduate with a Doctor of Pharmacy to practice, a physical therapist must have a Doctor of Physical Therapy, etc.
    it is the same elsewhere but the US has less doctors per inhabitant.

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    you'd think that with good salaries, the US would have a lot of doctors. They are way below the OCDE average
    The govt pays for medical residencies. The budget is capped, strangling the flow of new doctors.

    AMA has recommended REDUCING the number residencies? WTF

    Restricting supply (of doctors) when demand is rising guarantees higher costs of care, no matter that people suffer and die for want of care. Capitalist for-profit health care doesn't GAS about people excluded from care.

    "You want medical care? Pay us, the gatekeepers."

    In 2019, Congress considered raising the budget for residencies, but didn't. No doubt lobbyists for Medical Industrial Complex helicoptered $Ms to kill raising budget for medical residencies.

    Many doctors who probably dreamt of a life of self-employed autonomy are now corporate employees viewed as profit centers under pressure to increase income for stock-holding Capitalists.

    an article from 2 years ago, situation worse now

    The US is on the verge of a devastating, but avoidable doctor shortage

    https://qz.com/1676207/the-us-is-on-the-verge-of-a-devastating-doctor-shortage/

    Under Capitalistic serfdom, USA is a failing society where people have no value if they are not producing for Capitalists.



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    Medicare Advantage is another corporate handout, period. Medicare should provide full coverage, able to negotiate prices and be available to everyone.
    yep, Medicare Advantage is Repugs' first step into privatizing Medicare.

    MA costs Americans about 10% more than the same care from Medicare. That's $10Bs/year in Capitalist profits.

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    sorry you're going through this


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    capital gains should be treated as income.

    there i said it.
    I used to feel this way too. Now I believe capital gains should be taxed at a higher rate than income, tbh.

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    lol free lunch investors demanding that as their right

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    capital gains should be treated as income.

    there i said it.

    but i dont believe in raising taxes just for the sake of raising them. use it to fund good programs. lowering age of medicare would be a good start.
    possible details of the $3.5T reconciliation bill


    • It makes Biden’s child tax credits permanent
    • It provides three weeks of paid family and medical leave
    • It makes two-year community college free
    • It provides for universal Pre-K
    • It subsidizes childcare
    • It allows convicted felons access to food stamps
    • It boosts the IRS’ budget by $80 billion over 10 years
    • It spends $400 billion on in-home & community healthcare for the elderly and disabled
    • It restores the top marginal rate of income tax to the pre-Trump level of 39.6%
    • It spends $213 billion on building & retrofitting homes, and a further $40 billion on public housing
    • It incorporates the Protect the Right to Organize Act, which would vitiate state “right-to-work” laws
    • It raises the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28%, partially (but not fully) reversing Trump’s cut
    • It adds vision and dental insurance to Medicare, allows Medicare to negotiate drug prices, and lowers the Medicare eligibility age
    • It spends $10 billion on a “Civilian Climate Corps”
    • It spends $174 billion on power stations for electric vehicles
    • It spends $100 billion on energy infrastructure, with the aim of transitioning to carbon-free electricity production by 2035
    https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2021/...nders-in-2021/

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    NRA Agreement Made It Easier to Put Animal ‘Heads on Walls’

    Federal regulators have tossed a last-minute Trump-era agreement with the National Rifle Association about wildlife conservation which critics said was designed to help trophy hunters.

    Aurelia Skipwith, director of the Fish and Wildlife Service under Trump, signed the agreement on Jan. 13, just seven days before President Joseph Biden was sworn in.

    “The service’s memorandum of understanding with the National Rifle Association was not adequately reviewed by agency staff or the Department of the Interior solicitor’s office,” said an agency spokesperson. “Therefore, the service terminated the agreement.”

    The 10-year agreement called for the agency to

    work with the NRA to develop “science-based strategies” for wildlife conservation.

    https://www.dcreport.org/2021/08/25/biden-administration-breaks-deal-on-big-game-hunting/



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    That knockoff drug, procedure, etc originated somewhere. Now what are the chances that might have been here? Or I guess we should wait for China or Russia or whoever to come up with those procedures, drugs/vaccines and just copy them.

    You seem to be forgetting your precious Obamacare which was designed to avoid your second paragraph.
    Is this what you mean by education being a problem? Step outside your bubble, and educate yourself. The Pfizer vaccine was invented by Biontech, a German company. The UK was testing and vaccinating people earlier and at a faster rate than the US. AstraZeneca, the very first company to come up with a COVID vaccine? A British company.

    Both Russia and the Chinese had developed vaccines before the US did. Israel leading the world in vaccination. All countries with universal healthcare.

    Do you know how much the UK spends on their universal healthcare? 10% of their GDP. The US spends over 17% of our GDP on this monstrosity. Again, if you don't rein in costs, then you're not going anywhere.

    And I'm not forgetting anything. I lambasted Obamacare at the time because it didn't address cost at all. It did open up access, but did nothing to combat exorbitant prices. It's a law that, while better than the previous status quo, kicked the can forward.

    UK, Canada, etc. - pardon me if I don't want to be waiting months for procedures or begging for vaccines, giving one dose (out of 2 doses) to everyone or mixing vaccines (yeah, let's follow the science). The problem is partly legal - here in the US doctors can be SUED - they can lose everything and the government isn't going to be protecting them against lawsuits - I doubt that is happening in the UK or Canada if the doctors mess up. The educational system is not like UK or Canada where you could go to university for what $10k? These US doctors come out with hundreds of thousands of dollar in debt. And corporate - do you think BigPharma, BigInsurance, BigHospital, etc. is going to take this lying down - no, they would be fighting tooth and nail against it. You might not like the situation/facts - but that's how it is. Oh, thanks, add political system to that too. Good luck changing all that.
    Who are you kidding? 60% of US patients have to wait 2+ weeks to get an appointment with a PCP, over 3 weeks with a specialist. Emergency wait times are over 2 hours. You can't even schedule a procedure if the insurance didn't give the thumbs up, and if they don't, good ing luck.
    And this is with insurance. If you don't have insurance, good luck paying to see a doctor or a night at the hospital.

    Doctors can be sued for malpractice everywhere in the world, just like Medicare or the NHS are. That includes Canada (here) and the UK (see). So that point is moot.

    BigPharma, BigInsurance, BigHospital, etc can certainly rest easy in that they have an advocate in you. Again, some very special flavor of stupid here in the US.

    And while we're at it - we should definitely go for national/federal $15 minimum wage - AND pay the doctors and surgeons what their counterparts in UK and Canada get paid. Let see how many people go into the medical field then.
    Yet, they have less of a shortage of doctors than then US does, because that cheap university thing you mentioned above makes it much easier for them to make a buck right out of school, and the salaries are not bat at all.

    In the meantime, we keep importing Indian, Asian and Latin America doctors, and expect our healthcare to be any more special than those countries.

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    Is this what you mean by education being a problem? Step outside your bubble, and educate yourself. The Pfizer vaccine was invented by Biontech, a German company. The UK was testing and vaccinating people earlier and at a faster rate than the US. AstraZeneca, the very first company to come up with a COVID vaccine? A British company.

    Both Russia and the Chinese had developed vaccines before the US did. Israel leading the world in vaccination. All countries with universal healthcare.

    Do you know how much the UK spends on their universal healthcare? 10% of their GDP. The US spends over 17% of our GDP on this monstrosity. Again, if you don't rein in costs, then you're not going anywhere.

    And I'm not forgetting anything. I lambasted Obamacare at the time because it didn't address cost at all. It did open up access, but did nothing to combat exorbitant prices. It's a law that, while better than the previous status quo, kicked the can forward.



    Who are you kidding? 60% of US patients have to wait 2+ weeks to get an appointment with a PCP, over 3 weeks with a specialist. Emergency wait times are over 2 hours. You can't even schedule a procedure if the insurance didn't give the thumbs up, and if they don't, good ing luck.
    And this is with insurance. If you don't have insurance, good luck paying to see a doctor or a night at the hospital.

    Doctors can be sued for malpractice everywhere in the world, just like Medicare or the NHS are. That includes Canada (here) and the UK (see). So that point is moot.

    BigPharma, BigInsurance, BigHospital, etc can certainly rest easy in that they have an advocate in you. Again, some very special flavor of stupid here in the US.



    Yet, they have less of a shortage of doctors than then US does, because that cheap university thing you mentioned above makes it much easier for them to make a buck right out of school, and the salaries are not bat at all.

    In the meantime, we keep importing Indian, Asian and Latin America doctors, and expect our healthcare to be any more special than those countries.
    Joe Biden promised not to change a thing

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    Joe Biden promised not to change a thing
    Much like Obama, won't touch it... no expectations there...

    What's hard to believe is people actually defending this cluster . But then again, I suspect most of them rarely set foot outside the US, tbh...

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    Much like Obama, won't touch it... no expectations there...

    What's hard to believe is people actually defending this cluster . But then again, I suspect most of them rarely set foot outside the US, tbh...
    It's a great system for some of us

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    It's a great system for some of us
    I wasn't always here, tbh... my responsibility not to forget.

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    breaking news:

    joe biden speaks with a stutter

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    breaking news:

    joe biden speaks with a stutter
    He called the black guy boy

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