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    Replacing Bryn and Beli is 20 wins added to last year's total.
    I will go on the record right now saying that if they run it back they will not get out of the first round if they even make the playoffs.

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    In what universe is Trey Lyles a center?
    In the year of our lord 2020 where Dwight Howard signs a vet minimum deal and Joe Harris/Davis Bertans sign for a combined $155 million. Do you honestly think Trey Lyles plays the 4 in any NBA lineup next season?

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    Hopefully I'm wrong about this signing and it looks great in retrospect. I'd be pretty shocked, though, unless there's something more to the story like Aldridge being traded. As it stands, I can admit this is very fair compensation to Poeltl in a vacuum but in context, it just doesn't fit any sort of strategy I can see.
    I would suggest you don't understand the team's strategy or why Poeltl is important to developing the young wings and guards.

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    Trade Lamarcus. Why the would you bring Poetl back at that price if you aren't willing to get something for LA.

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    Drafting players and giving them featured roles in the offense rather than starting vets over them. At most SA, might be able to sneak a vet into the last spot. But that player can block out everyone.
    When did that happen?

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    In the year of our lord 2020 where Dwight Howard signs a vet minimum deal and Joe Harris/Davis Bertans sign for a combined $155 million. Do you honestly think Trey Lyles plays the 4 in any NBA lineup next season?
    What pure ing gibberish. What does Dwight Howard, an actual center, have to do with whether Trey Lyles, who is not a center, is a center? What does Joe Harris, who is not a center, or Davis Bertans, who is not a center, have to do with whether Trey Lyles, who is not a center, is a center?

    Good ing grief.

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    I will go on the record right now saying that if they run it back they will not get out of the first round if they even make the playoffs.
    I mean, I don't think SA is scared of being knocked out in the first round. Seems like a good outcome for a team that still has all of its picks and tons of cap space next summer.

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    Here are the numbers I have..

    DeMar DeRozan: $27,739,975
    LaMarcus Aldridge: $24,000,000
    Rudy Gay: $14,500,000
    Dejounte Murray: $14,286,000
    Patrick Mills: $13,535,714
    Jakob Poeltl: $8,650,000
    DeMarre Carroll: $6,167,887
    Trey Lyles: $5,500,000
    Devin Vassell: $4,033,440
    Derrick White: $3,516,284
    Lonnie Walker IV: $2,892,000
    Luka Samanic: $2,824,320
    Keldon Johnson: $2,048,040
    Drew Eubanks: $1,620,564
    Tre Jones: $898,310
    Quinndary Weatherspoon: Two-Way
    Total: $132,212,534
    Luxury Tax Threshold: $132,627,000


    So, that's a cool $400,000 below the threshold if the salaries are accurate

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    it's tradable.

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    I like Poeltl. Good player, good guy, etc. But I wish the Spurs would actually pick a strategy. Not trading on draft day made me think that the strategy was to open a ton of cap room. But now after signing Poeltl? I don't know what they're doing and don't see a clear path to a winning strategy. This half-rebuild, half-stay-the-course strategy doesn't have much discernable direction.
    sniffvp waking up

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    I'll take Chinook's input and say that we do give some minutes to the highest lottery pick since Duncan...

    After ten games into the season:

    Murray/ Lonnie/ Tre
    White/ Vassell/ Mills or Q (Mills for offensive spark, Q for a defensive stop)
    DeMar/ Keldon/ Q
    Lyles/ Gay/ Samanic
    Aldridge/ Poetl/ Eubanks

    Mills needs to take a back seat and take more of a mentor role.

    Lonnie's improved playmaking can make him the engine of the second group.

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    When did that happen?
    That is happening with the Spurs not signing any vets. They have no choice but to play the young guys a lot.

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    Montrese Harrell is getting virtually the same money and he's much better.
    I mean, he's not going to sign that contract with us, we're not the Lakers and we don't have LeBron.

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    Poeltl might be a bit over paid.
    He's not though. That's the narrative generated by the big geniuses of this board for some reason. I mean, I'm not a huge Poeltl fan, but something like 85% of this board is completely wrong about this one.

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    A team needs a mobile rim protector.
    Thats what he does at a high level.

    If they drafted defense, they bolstered it right here.

    His offensive role is screen / off. rebs and easy finishes.

    Can't be mad with that.

    Also, what's with that "masterplan" regarding next years cap space.

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    Here are the numbers I have..

    DeMar DeRozan: $27,739,975
    LaMarcus Aldridge: $24,000,000
    Rudy Gay: $14,500,000
    Dejounte Murray: $14,286,000
    Patrick Mills: $13,535,714
    Jakob Poeltl: $8,650,000
    DeMarre Carroll: $6,167,887
    Trey Lyles: $5,500,000
    Devin Vassell: $4,033,440
    Derrick White: $3,516,284
    Lonnie Walker IV: $2,892,000
    Luka Samanic: $2,824,320
    Keldon Johnson: $2,048,040
    Drew Eubanks: $1,620,564
    Tre Jones: $898,310
    Quinndary Weatherspoon: Two-Way
    Total: $132,212,534
    Luxury Tax Threshold: $132,627,000


    So, that's a cool $400,000 below the threshold if the salaries are accurate
    It’s just funny seeing Carroll on that list. Lord.

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    They still have one if they're willing to risk not extending White. Look at that Capulator link I sent and mess around with the holds for next off-season. Poeltl alone doesn't prevent anything. He just signed for like $2 or $3 Million more than he was expected to. Him not being on the books at all wasn't really in the plan.
    If the Spurs mess around with White because they want cap space and do that because they signed Poeltl they are idiots.

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    You should also be aware the game has changed drastically to the chagrin of bigs like Poetl.
    Nope. The game hasn't changed that drastically. Case in point, the Rockets. There is little value for a post-up center who plays mediocre defense such as Jahlil Okafor. There is a lot of value still for a jumperless center who is very good at defense and unlocks various offensive actions for guards/ wings in a guard dominated league.

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    What pure ing gibberish. What does Dwight Howard, an actual center, have to do with whether Trey Lyles, who is not a center, is a center? What does Joe Harris, who is not a center, or Davis Bertans, who is not a center, have to do with whether Trey Lyles, who is not a center, is a center?

    Good ing grief.
    Your dismissal of Lyles as a center negates the statement from your perspective, so there's nothing I can say to convince you otherwise.

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    Hollinger thinks Poeltl is worth more than we’re paying...

    Jakob Poeltl (R), San Antonio — $13,166,442

    Poeltl is a traditional, unsexy center and that may cap his market at the midlevel exception, especially since the Spurs can match any offer. His lack of floor spacing capability and iffy mobility above the 3-point line conspire against him in the pace-and-space era.
    But within his role, he’s really good. For a big lug, he’s actually pretty nimble, blocking shots around the rim, positioning himself well in drop coverages and dominating on the glass. Offensively it’s a similar story, as he can’t shoot and has a pretty blah post game, but combats that with a good feel, hard screens, and solid finishing around the basket.
    The 25-year-old Austrian may not progress much beyond this level, but it’s pretty easy to see him as the Spurs’ starting center once LaMarcus Aldridge moves on. At anything in the $10 million range, he’s worth it.

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    It’s just funny seeing Carroll on that list. Lord.
    the gift that keeps on giving

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    Same team, but Spurs are banking on growth and featured roles for the young guns to change the results.
    Without a doubt Dejounte, but that’s the point. Why wasn’t that determined earlier? It sounds like another experiment on the cards where our two leading scorers don’t fit together on the court and don’t fit with a newly re-signed center. The draft suggested to me we were heading into position-less type basketball - when now 3 guys (who all have to play), are anything but...

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    I would suggest you don't understand the team's strategy
    Bingo.

    Hopefully there is a strategy that makes this make sense. I don't see it right now but admittedly there could be more to the story.

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    its actually not high at all, NYC would of gave him MAX money...

    I will say this tho... he will be a great trade asset

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    Chinook, a Question : You have both "Tre Young" (who I presume is Tre Jones) and Weatherspoon at $963 005 each. Are they really that expensive? Weatherspoon is probably still on a 2 way and Tre Jones might end up on one - how much space would that give us?

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