That's why I already said unless you consider saying an NBA player is a plumber isn't saying he sucks, which apparently you don't. Try to catch up some time.
So what was your point?
nope
because a few guys a years ago did a banana boat together does not mean the league as a whole are buddies
i suppose then mike is guilty of the same stuff for going golfing regularly with other players, regularly gambling with other players, and making a movie with barkley ewing and LJ
lol ok
That's why I already said unless you consider saying an NBA player is a plumber isn't saying he sucks, which apparently you don't. Try to catch up some time.
So what was your point?
you obviously havent paid much attention to leftys "plumber" shtick when referring to 90s players, and the fact that hes actually complimented some of those players quite a bit even
try to catch up some time
lets see
trae has exponentially superior stats to mark price
you have attributed it to "inflated stats" nowadays, as a result of changing systems, rules, and defensive focus. among giving all these reasons, nowhere did you mention that trae could simply be a superior talent to mark price. it would appear you do not believe that he is a superior player. but perhaps you do.
enjoy proceeding to split more hairs in order to win a sub-argument that no one cares about except for you
Every era has their Cedric Ceballos, empty stat players. Trae falls into that category. Could have better percentages in a more structured offense, but as of right now he's a chucker on a bad team.
i dont disagree
but it doesnt mean trae isnt a clearly more talented and gifted basketball player than mark price
calling someone is a plumber isn't to say they suck
lefty's schtick is talking about how Jordan's opposition sucked. How Ehlo was a plumber looking guy, and how Starks was a grocery bagger, and that their defense on Jordan was wildly exaggerated.
I don't see Trae being superior at all, because he has the greenlight to shoot on a team with no hope of winning.
Stackhouse had a 30/5/4 season, Michael Adams had a 26/10/2 season, and I won't consider them better seasons than Mark Price's peak.
Trae Young's advanced stats are underwhelming, especially when compared to what his traditional stats look.
And about splitting hairs when you are trying to argue saying an NBA is a plumber, although jokingly, isn't saying he sucked.
So are you trying to say Trae Young is clearly more talented and gifted basketball player than Mark Price? If so, what is that based on?
compared to being defended and going toe to toe with guys like kawhi, kobe, pierce, etc then sure they "suck", but its pretty obvious hes not saying that they are total trash as players themselves. as mentioned, when he puts aside his trolling schtick, he has given plenty of compliments to jordans compe ion too. hairsplitting
good for you
considering how trash his team is, its pretty understandable that his stats are underwhelming, compared to price who was on a very good cleveland team and arguably wasnt even the best player on his team, yet made 1st team All-NBA because the guard position was so devoid of talent in the 90s, which was the point of the whole discussion
normally i would agree, except in leftys case it was obvious trolling and im quite confident he doesnt legitimately believe mark price sucks, based on past posts hes made
arguably better all around shooter
clearly more range
clearly better finisher
arguably better passer
clearly better ball handler
more size
more athleticism
im no trae young fan at all, but its pretty clear he has far more talent and gifts than price did. even with a green light like young has, i have a hard time believing price could match it due to the aforementioned. oh, and we are comparing a 2nd year trae, to prime price.
Saying a player is a plumber isn;t calling him total trash? OK.
No doubt the year Price made All NBA 1st team the PG position was trash, never argued otherwise.
You were saying about splitting hairs?
You can argue, but Price has better 2P%, 3P%, eFG%, FT%, and TS%
Changing emphasis in different eras
why?
why?
[QUOTE=Neo.;10373891]clearly better ball handler[quote]why?
so?
so?
2nd year Price was good enough to convince the Cavs to ship Kevin Johnson out.
cool
cool
splitting hairs vs substantial evidence that you dont know what youre talking about and are arguing for the sake of arguing
incomparable
as a guy who got to basically shoot open spot up jumpers and run some PnR plays, compared to a guy who has to do nearly everything offensively for his team
jason kidd had some great 3pt%s for a few years, superior to ray allen. does that make him a better three point shooter than ray allen?
irrelevant
ok
so greater size and athleticism doesnt generally give players an advantage? particularly when comparing two who play the same position?
apparently a rookie KJ being traded means 2nd year Price => 2nd year Trae
That's some incredible evidence right there
Mark price was basically shooting open spot up jumpers and run some PnR plays? OK. Great substantial evidence.
I said you can argue. So what's your argument? You brought it up, now show your substantial evidence.
Is it more or less irrelevant than Jason Kidd and Ray Allen's 3 pt shooting percentage to whether Trae Young or Mark price as the better shooter?
Killer evidence.
did I say that? You did use them to use it as substantial evidence to say that Trae Young is clearly more talented and gifted a basketball player than Mark Price though. Giving an advantage doesn't mean clearly more talented and gifted
Did I say that?
show your evidence that it was claimed in this thread that mark price sucks
you're welcome to share your substantial evidence that mark price was superior
watch some video. you know where to find them.
do you consider %s to be absolute evidence of whether a person is a superior shooter to another?
feel free to share your counter evidence
did i say you said that? i simply asked a question. do you not believe that size and athleticism factor into the level of talents and gifts a basketball player has?
did i say you said that? what was your point of even bringing that up? what did it prove?
This was the first thing I wrote.
I never claimed so, it was you who claimed Trae Young was clearly more talented and gifted.
You mean these?
Quite a few plays that weren't spot up jumpers or pick and rolls.
Not absolute evidence, better evidence than "lefty once said" though.
it's comical how it was "nobody said" for you, then when it was somebody else, it has to be "substantial evidence" and now "absolute evidence" when you haven't provided for the claim you staked.
Counter evidence to "OK "? Maybe you can show some examples.
I asked for back up to you saying Trae Young was clearly more talented and gifted than Mark Price as a baskeball player, you stated height and athleticism as that, and continuously go for substantial evidence. How else can I interpret it?
You said second year Trae Young, I am saying 2nd year Mark Price was good enough to let Cavs deal away KJ, meaning 2nd year is good enough for Price to show himself as a legit PG.
Last edited by ambchang; 12-22-2020 at 05:47 PM.
oh okay, so no one said he sucks? got it
i never said you claimed he was superior. just that if you think so, then provide your evidence. you did however, say "I don't see Trae being superior at all". so either you believe they are equal as players, or you believe price is superior. what do you believe?
quite a few that were too. in "mixtape" and "highlight" videos
when did i ever use anything lefty said as evidence in regards to the superiority of a player in this discussion? if you are actually reaching and misquoting me when talking about his "plumber" shtick to try to make a pointless point
simply watching basketball is a good starting point for some proof.
it would be one thing if we were comparing whether shaq or timmy was more dominant in the post, as they both were incredibly dominant. its another thing to compare whether mark price or trae young is a more talented basketball player. not even comparable. im not going to waste my time providing examples when most any moron can pull up games on youtube and see it. and this is coming from a guy who was a fan of price and does not care for trae one bit.
do you not believe that size and athleticism factor into the level of talents and gifts a basketball player has?
if it had absolutely nothing to do with comparing him to trae young, then why bring it up? or did it have to do with trae young?
regardless, i know you arent going to stop per usual, and i have run out of interest with going back and forth with you per usual. enjoy getting one last reply to this to get your "win", even though you already proved my whole point of the comparison in the first place when you admitted guard compe ion was weak when price made 1st team all nba
The irony in this statement is overwhelmingly hilarious
You recently followed me into the political forum claiming that I'm supposedly a "top 10 worst poster" of all time because I have mentioned players not passing the eye test. Now you claim it's evidence ...ok then. Pot meet kettle.
And size and athleticism are legit arguments for Trae over Price. But that's it. The rest of it is subjective. An example - we don't know if Trae actually had better range than Price because Mark didn't take bad shots.
crying relentlessly about straw man arguments yet continuing to do them yourself
long threes aren't bad shots if you can hit them consistently enough that defenses are forced to defend it at all times
price never proved he had it. trae has.
literally seeing clear evidence of superiority is not subjective.
comparing whether players would be effective or not in other eras is a completely different argument and very subjective.
Yeah, I said it in the first response. Just that you enjoy drawing attention to you not being able to read ... for the second time in the same thread.
I believe Price's 1st team NBA year was better than Trae's 2nd year. My rationale is that he had better advanced stats in most areas. Is there evidence, no. What evidence? Are we talking about a murder case here?
So you said he posted those shooting numbers as a spot up shooter and running PnR plays, I posted videos that showed otherwise, including one with highlights throughout the entire game. What's your "evidence" that he did get those numbers? You threw out the assertion, and continuously demanded me proving otherwise while not showing anything to back up your claim.
You said looked at previous post from lefty, and you didn't quote any of his post. Show your work.
As contrary to what?
So your evidence is that your claim is self-proving. And yet you are asking for "substantial evidence" and "absolute evidence" when I have shown that Price had better shooting percentage in nearly every measurable category when you claimed Trae being a shooter as argument of Trae being clearly a more talented basketball player.
Yeah, absolutely no irony here.
It helps, just like jumping high helps. Didn't help argue Gerald Green was clearly a more talented and gifted basketball player than Steve Nash though.
It does have something to do with 2nd year is meaningful though.
you fall to this "I am not going to respond because I knew my win" shtick every time you get your pushed it.
I don't see you throwing those " I ran out of things to argue with your stupid ass arguments" line. So I guess you still think you can argue with Dirk_Finale some more.
A discussion about the top 100 players in the NBA today develops into an entire thread on ... Mark Price v. Trae Young!!!
You truly never know how these things turn out.
the irony.
That was your whole point?
Not sure what these posts were about then:
Last edited by ambchang; 12-29-2020 at 01:02 PM.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)