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    We still dont know for sure if Pzifer or any vaccine prevents spread of the virus.

    Well be wearing masks for the foreseable future
    Exactly. The notion that because you had the virus, you're off the hook is incredibly selfish and short sighted.

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    There's also been reports of re-infection.
    Extremely rare. So, it will be extremely rare with the vaccine, too.

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    Extremely rare. So, it will be extremely rare with the vaccine, too.
    But arguably non-zero. That's the point.

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    Oh man when Karrin starts talking about out of fuel again

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    Exactly. The notion that because you had the virus, you're off the hook is incredibly selfish and short sighted.
    Not what I said.

    I said we dont know if the Vaccines work to contain spread. So even taking vaccines. We dont know

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    Extremely rare. So, it will be extremely rare with the vaccine, too.
    You dont know.

    You are full of

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    Not what I said.

    I said we dont know if the Vaccines work to contain spread. So even taking vaccines. We dont know
    But that's the point. When you don't know, you remain careful. Well, unless you're selfish and don't give a about anybody else.

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    But that's the point. When you don't know, you remain careful. Well, unless you're selfish and don't give a about anybody else.
    Sure but you were responding to "no need for vaccine if you had covid"

    I say even if you get a vaccine. It has not been proven you cannot spread it.

    So regardless wether you had covid, the vacvine or both. We will be wearing masks for the foreseable future

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    Sure but you were responding to "no need for vaccine if you had covid"

    I say even if you get a vaccine. It has not been proven you cannot spread it.

    So regardless wether you had covid, the vacvine or both. We will be wearing masks for the foreseable future
    Agree 100%

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    lmao Everytime Darrin has to respond more than a handful of times he inevitably s out some nonsense that proves how much of an out-of-touch re he is.

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    Oh man when Karrin starts talking about out of fuel again
    Out of fuel in April!

    ing APRIL.

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    There's also been reports of re-infection. I'm more concerned with those people continuing to spread the virus, than having them fight it off again.
    Are you concerned about the vaccinated people spreading the virus?

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    When did Sweden elect Thanos as president?

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    Are you concerned about the vaccinated people spreading the virus?
    Sure, same reason.

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    Sure but you were responding to "no need for vaccine if you had covid"

    I say even if you get a vaccine. It has not been proven you cannot spread it.

    So regardless wether you had covid, the vacvine or both. We will be wearing masks for the foreseable future
    If will most likely do both as the vast majority of vaccines do.
    To assume it will not automatically is foolish.

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    And if you understand how the vast majority of vaccines work, it will take care of both.

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    If will most likely do both as the vast majority of vaccines do.
    To assume it will not automatically is foolish.
    That's not true. It most likely will not prevent transmission. The vaccines are unlikely to stop mucosal infection and transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They're just going to stop Covid-19.

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    That's not true. It most likely will not prevent transmission. The vaccines are unlikely to stop mucosal infection and transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They're just going to stop Covid-19.
    fwiw, the press release on the Moderna vaccine claims that it's been shown to prevent transmission from asymptomatic positives. To what degree/confidence interval, no idea.

    Hard to get tangible info from press releases.

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    Seems unlikely that the vaccine will prevent a person from being infected or from once infected transmitting it to others. The vaccine merely prepares the body to fight it once you get it so you don't get severely sick. So getting it suggests that you remain infectious once you do. Your body is just better equipped at fighting it.

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    fwiw, the press release on the Moderna vaccine claims that it's been shown to prevent transmission from asymptomatic positives. To what degree/confidence interval, no idea.

    Hard to get tangible info from press releases.
    We are at the stage where companies will promise you the vaccine will give you a blowjob and make you breakfast. Remember they have been pardoned from any future lie or wrongdoing already.

    All they care about right now is selling their stock. Eventually they will probably have to prove their works but thats months or years from now.

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    That's not true. It most likely will not prevent transmission. The vaccines are unlikely to stop mucosal infection and transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They're just going to stop Covid-19.
    That's still going to significantly lessen replication and thus viral load from carriers though, right? Or does the vaccine just calm the immune response so you don't get the wild cytokine storm?

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    That's still going to significantly lessen replication and thus viral load from carriers though, right? Or does the vaccine just calm the immune response so you don't get the wild cytokine storm?
    Nobody knows

    Well have to wqit for Pzifers next pre stock market press release

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    fwiw, the press release on the Moderna vaccine claims that it's been shown to prevent transmission from asymptomatic positives. To what degree/confidence interval, no idea.

    Hard to get tangible info from press releases.
    Haven't read the press releases but I don't think that's right.

    Research has shown that the biotech firm’s shot is effective at preventing people from getting sick with COVID-19, but there’s no hard evidence that it stops them from carrying the virus “transiently” and potentially infecting others who haven’t been vaccinated, according to Dr. Tal Zaks, Moderna’s chief medical officer.

    “I think we need to be careful, as we get vaccinated, not to over-interpret the results,” Zaks told Axios in a TV interview released Monday. “When we start the deployment of this vaccine, we will not have sufficient concrete data to prove that this vaccine reduces transmission.”
    According to the virologists on TWiV, Moderna & Pfizer supposedly took random nasal swabs to study the transmission issue but analysis of them is not part of the vaccine trial. They're sitting in a freezer.

    Astrazenaca initially said theirs was better at stopping transmission but I think that was just to distract from their 62% efficacy. Now they are saying we're still looking at that.

    Astra Shot Better at Stopping Covid Than Slowing Transmission
    https://www.anchoragepress.com/news/...82581cbcf.html


    Long story short, everybody will get SARS-CoV-2 eventually and some will have Covid-19. It's the 5th endemic human coronavirus.
    Last edited by SnakeBoy; 12-15-2020 at 04:29 PM.

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    That's still going to significantly lessen replication and thus viral load from carriers though, right? Or does the vaccine just calm the immune response so you don't get the wild cytokine storm?
    From what I gather from the TWiV folks, that's probably right. Less transmission but still transmission. They expect the most likely scenario is that vaccinated people will still get a nasal infection and be able to transmit. Apparently the vaccine will not affect the mucosal immune system.

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    Another e protein mutation

    New coronavirus strain spreading in UK has key mutations, scientists say
    https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN28P158

    10% of all new UK infections.

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