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    DMC has argued in the past that society is a fiction and the common interest is ersatz. There's only individuals against a doctrinally evil state. The essential problem is how to spirit what one can to make a tolerable life for oneself from an immutably oppressive order.

    Cheap cynicism fused with personal greed, elevated to a principle.
    And every day that passes you more and more about the reality of it. But I don't believe in a doctrinally evil state because I don't believe in evil. I believe these "individuals" find the most efficient means to better themselves and their offspring, and often that means stepping on others.

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    What’s the problem with ing about it?

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    What’s the problem with ing about it?
    If it isn't true what's there to about?

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    ARe you arguing the an rust laws and their application is an overthrow? They are literally talking about dismantling oligarchy.
    He's talking about changing the entire system, not just increase of taxes but a change in how those taxes are used. That's simply not going to happen when the same group of career wealthy folks are cycling through the offices. What's so hard to understand about the concept of individuals shoring up their own wealth, and a political system that ensures the masses will be salved by "change" (they all preach it), so they can continue putting the people into powerful positions, people that have no plans on change?

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    only if the assumption is that im only interesting in policy that redistributes the net worths of specific people with net worths in the tens of billions
    That's what we were discussing.

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    I can see how using political power to prioritize public goods in the national interest might look like a revolution to you. It isn't and it needn't be. You're ting you pants over commonplaces of political reform *not necessarily favorable* to short term profit.

    My argument is that state support of certain public goods is good not only for the public, but for industrial compe iveness and productivity.
    It's funny you think I am concerned about it. I am laughing at the ideologue mentality you espouse, as if you saying it gives power to the idea. Keep jousting those windmills.

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    If it isn't true what's there to about?
    Why would something being true or false preclude ing? It’s true that Mitch doesn’t want to send $2000 checks. ing about that being morally/philosophically/whatever wrong isn’t unwarranted.

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    Why would something being true or false preclude ing? It’s true that Mitch doesn’t want to send $2000 checks. ing about that being morally/philosophically/whatever wrong isn’t unwarranted.
    If you say I believe in something that's not true, then you proceed to about it as if it is true, there's a conflict. Otherwise I have no idea what you're objecting to.

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    It's funny you think I am concerned about it. I am laughing at the ideologue mentality you espouse, as if you saying it gives power to the idea. Keep jousting those windmills.
    Keep having a conversation with yourself, you can't differ with others honestly. There is no objective, ideology-free viewpoint from which to criticize others. If you think there is, that's just indoctrination.

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    He's talking about changing the entire system, not just increase of taxes but a change in how those taxes are used. That's simply not going to happen when the same group of career wealthy folks are cycling through the offices. What's so hard to understand about the concept of individuals shoring up their own wealth, and a political system that ensures the masses will be salved by "change" (they all preach it), so they can continue putting the people into powerful positions, people that have no plans on change?
    So you don't think it is going to happen so people should just give up? That is some egomaniacal and specious argumentation.

    And i am not interested in your pseudo-objectivist rationalizations of US society.

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    If you say I believe in something that's not true, then you proceed to about it as if it is true, there's a conflict. Otherwise I have no idea what you're objecting to.
    I don’t believe there’s election fraud, but I would certainly about claims of election fraud.

    There’s no conflict there.

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    Sorry, to round out the thought, I object to the notion that because somebody doesnít adhere to something, theyíre precluded from ing about it. Because you donít believe something to be true doesnít mean it doesnít affect you in some way. Religion is a notorious example.

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    It's funny you think I am concerned about it. I am laughing at the ideologue mentality you espouse, as if you saying it gives power to the idea. Keep jousting those windmills.
    Discussion boards are for discussion. Talk ain't much but it's not nothing.

    Things that a lot of people talk about *sometimes* make the political to do list. If people didn't talk about them, they might not make it on the agenda.

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    I don’t believe there’s election fraud, but I would certainly about claims of election fraud.

    There’s no conflict there.
    ing about the claims isn't the same as ing about the fraud. Why would you about something you don't believe happened?

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    Discussion boards are for discussion. Talk ain't much but it's not nothing.

    Things that a lot of people talk about *sometimes* make the political to do list. If people didn't talk about them, they might not make it on the agenda.
    Talk is nothing.

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    Sorry, to round out the thought, I object to the notion that because somebody doesn’t adhere to something, they’re precluded from ing about it. Because you don’t believe something to be true doesn’t mean it doesn’t affect you in some way. Religion is a notorious example.
    There's a difference, again, between ing about the effects of religion and ing about God.

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    So you don't think it is going to happen so people should just give up? That is some egomaniacal and specious argumentation.

    And i am not interested in your pseudo-objectivist rationalizations of US society.
    It's not going to happen. What would he be giving up, talking about it?

    Get over yourself, idiot.

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    Keep having a conversation with yourself, you can't differ with others honestly. There is no objective, ideology-free viewpoint from which to criticize others. If you think there is, that's just indoctrination.
    Unlike you I don't paint the other side as melting down every time someone disagrees with me. I also don't post every news story I find online like some OCD shut-in.

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    I also don't post every news story I find online like some OCD shut-in.
    You're overselling youself, you provide close to zero content to this forum besides your own hauteur and derision. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    Talk is nothing.
    You're wrong.

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    Who forces you to give your money to the wealthy?
    You pay for a product or service done by employees not by a rich person. The rich donít manufacture the goods Iím buying, they donít provide me with the service, employees do

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    So you want to better yourself at their expense?
    the rich have been doing this for years, it doesnít seem to bother you. The average wage corrected by inflation has barely moved over the years while the rich have been taking pretty much all the wealth created by the employees. You think itís fair?

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    It's not going to happen. What would he be giving up, talking about it?

    Get over yourself, idiot.
    Someone is salty. You should take your own advice, Nostradamus.

    You don't know what is going to happen. There is a changing demographic as the boomers die off.

    Your objectivist ship is sinking. Sorry it bothers you others like to talk about it.

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    There is a changing demographic as the boomers die off.
    the oligarchy is multi-generational and ins utionalized (Congress, Federal judiciary)

    the demographic is trending towards non-whiteness, but voting is a charade, essentially just another multi-$B business.

    Votes don't count towards getting one's elected legislators to do what you want. They, both parties, react only to the bribes of BigDonor class.

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    the oligarchy is multi-generational and ins utionalized (Congress, Federal judiciary)

    the demographic is trending towards non-whiteness, but voting is a charade, essentially just another multi-$B business.

    Votes don't count towards getting one's elected legislators to do what you want. They, both parties, react only to the bribes of BigDonor class.
    The incoming demographic is pretty famously disenfranchised economically. We'll see if they get bought out.

    And votes still matter. They choose who gets elected and primaried. It has to work its way up but the state and local levels are easier to change. There are still federal level candidates interested in changing Citizens United and stock trading by legislators.

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