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    There's a difference in how the reporting schemes are working between non-novel diseases and COVID-19. Many states have openly stated they are reporting these cases if the person tested positive for COVID-19 . Dying with something and dying from something are two different things.
    This is just another tired talking point by conservatives to downplay the disease.

    The raw difference in deaths, regardless of cause, is +433 thousand. In previous years, the increase ranged between +4K and +63K per year. Pretty simple math.

    Regardless of whether you believe the actual "COVID death count" is accurate, it's plainly obvious that COVID resulted in historically high death toll. Unless you just don't believe the total deaths number.

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    500k sounds about right. only about a 33% undercount or so at the moment. Be interested to see what the peer-reivewed papers will come up with.

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    This is just another tired talking point by conservatives to downplay the disease.

    The raw difference in deaths, regardless of cause, is +433 thousand. In previous years, the increase ranged between +4K and +63K per year. Pretty simple math.

    Regardless of whether you believe the actual "COVID death count" is accurate, it's plainly obvious that COVID resulted in historically high death toll. Unless you just don't believe the total deaths number.
    Total deaths is one of THE most accurate numbers we have for any health statistic.

    It is amusing to watch "conservatives" (not sure what the they are conserving these days) squirm when you point this out.

    "if it isn't COVID, then present a plausible alternative"

    They invariably puss out. Or like Snakeboy tell you "I saw an error in your calculation, but because I don't like you won't tell you what it is" (i.e. the "girlfriend in Canada")

    It would be funny but these assclowns vote.

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    2020 US life expectancy dropped by a full year, about twice that for non-white Hispanic folks and 2.7 years for black folk.

    US life expectancy has fallen four of the last five years.

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/18/health/life-expectancy-fell-pandemic/index.html

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    good comparative info with other causes of death

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...s-that-kill-us

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    This thing will kill more people than a decades long AIDS epidemic before the end of this year. wow.

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    The last time an annual US death count was above 1% of the population was 1947.


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    age adjusted graph through 2018 here:

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data-visual...ends/index.htm

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    This thing will kill more people than a decades long AIDS epidemic before the end of this year. wow.
    important qualifier: in the USA.

    3M+ have died of COVID so far

    "32.7 million [24.8 million–42.2 million] people have died [worldwide] from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the pandemic" (by the end of 2019)
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    important qualifier: in the USA.

    3M+ have died of COVID so far in the [world as a whole].

    "32.7 million [24.8 million–42.2 million] people have died [worldwide] from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the pandemic" (by the end of 2019)
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    important qualifier: in the USA.

    3M+ have died of COVID so far in the US.

    "32.7 million [24.8 million–42.2 million] people have died [worldwide] from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the pandemic" (by the end of 2019)

    ???

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    meant world wide

    fixed

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    US population grew by .35% in 2020



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