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    Making a determination based on counting stats without context.
    Strawman backpedal.
    Yawn.

    Lets hear your reasoning.
    Ive seen the games.

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    Strawman backpedal.
    Yawn.

    Lets hear your reasoning.
    Ive seen the games.
    Counting stats, especially in cases like this, are largely mpg/usage dependant. Of course, as a primary ball handler and the mostly default second option on one of the least talented teams in the league, Murray was going to post superior ones to a stretch big, who was coming off of missing about a year with an injury and playing on a significantly deeper team.

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    Yawn you've given zero reasons why Jackson Jr is purportedly better.
    Step up or step off.

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    You're the one questioning it (like it's controversial and not consensus), so tell me why Murray is supposedly better and do so with substance.

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    I actually pretty strongly doubt it's consensus that JJJ IS better than Murray. I just think most would rather have JJJ because he's younger and has skills at a harder position to get right. Like it's a no-brainer that I'd rather have him, but that's not because he's actually better. In that same vein, I don't know that many folks would prefer Porzingas to Murray. Dude was a great player, but he has a bad at ude and a worse contract while also having shaky health which robbed him of the agility he used to possess. He's no longer a unicorn due in large part to players like JJJ. If I didn't basically want Murray traded, I'd probably take him over KP.

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    I actually mostly agree with this. But it's been consensus that Jackson Jr. is better than Murray, so even if it's debatable at this exact moment, based on history and scarcity/value of skillset, I'm giving him the nod. The same goes for Porzingis. Although he's a ticking time bomb health wise, I'll at least give him a healthy/motivated off season to redeem himself.

    Still, let's not get bogged down playing the semantics game and lose sight of the overriding point.

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    is it too soon for me to bump this?

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    is it too soon for me to bump this?
    have at it

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    They won't get any help from this year's draft next year.

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    Primo is going to become a super star, Keldon & DJ will become allstars and Vassell & Luka will become fringe allstars. Add in really good rotational players Jakob, LW4, TJ & Wiesy. Not that bad of a future.

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    I forgot about D. White. Add him to the fringe allstar group.

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    Primo is going to become a super star, Keldon & DJ will become allstars and Vassell & Luka will become fringe allstars. Add in really good rotational players Jakob, LW4, TJ & Wiesy. Not that bad of a future.
    What about White? Still has the ability to become the next Kobe/MJ/Lebron

    #stacked

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    is it too soon for me to bump this?
    We are still waiting for Samanic to hit that all star level, so go ahead.

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    can y’all imagine forbes in the starting lineup again?

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    Brian Wright is making TD21 seem way less contrarian. Houston is a mess but so are we.

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    future seems to be a lil bit brighter than before this offseason

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