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    Sengun? Dude just recorded a triple double. Has other NBA people saying he's a stud and that they should run their offense through him. This board doesn't get it on Sengun.
    Not Sengun. I wanted him instead of Primo. Their last two top picks. Green and the other guy.

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    I don't know if this board trashes Sengun at all. Most of us recognize he should have been the pick and Houston has a live one. The rest of their team sucks, however, and they have a bad coach. Sengun was traded off by OKC, by the way. It was a clear miss. He runs funny though.

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    I don't know if this board trashes Sengun at all. Most of us recognize he should have been the pick and Houston has a live one. The rest of their team sucks, however, and they have a bad coach. Sengun was traded off by OKC, by the way. It was a clear miss. He runs funny though.
    True. Jokic ain't the most athletic looking of players either but he gets it done

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    Not Sengun. I wanted him instead of Primo. Their last two top picks. Green and the other guy.
    Cool. Misread as Sengun. Yup, Green is not flourishing the way he should. This k they're about to fire Silas. Winder of that'll change their play much.

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    Add Nic Batum to the growing list of Sengun fans. Just read a quote where he says he thinks he's a "baby Jokic."

    Thats high praise and yet ppl here still trash him.
    He’s an undersized, one way player, hence the descriptor ‘baby’.

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    Add Nic Batum to the growing list of Sengun fans. Just read a quote where he says he thinks he's a "baby Jokic."

    Thats high praise and yet ppl here still trash him.
    Harold minor was baby jordan.

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    I would definitely take Sengun over, for example, Zach Collins.

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    Sengun? Dude just recorded a triple double. Has other NBA people saying he's a stud and that they should run their offense through him. This board doesn't get it on Sengun.
    Yep. Sochan May turn out to be a good pick but PATFO friggin’ blew the previous 2 drafts passing on Sengun and Haliburton. Haliburton is a franchise player and the best player in that draft.

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    He’s an undersized, one way player, hence the descriptor ‘baby’.
    Anthony Edwards says they should build the team around him. He's 20. In his second year and sometimes doesn't start. Yet getting praise from his fellow players. I think his peers know his value.

    Sengun will be a perennial all-star by his mid twenties. We ed up. Just accept it.

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    Anthony Edward's says they should build the team around him. He's 20. In his second year and sometimes doesn't start. Yet getting praise from his fellow players. I think his peers know his value.

    hes not a spur so fans must talk him down

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    Haliburton is a franchise player and the best player in that draft.
    lmao

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    Harold minor was baby jordan.
    Who gave him that name? Was he getting league-wide praise for his game at 20? Lots of ppl look like a flash I'm the pan. This is a different kind of accolades.

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    Who gave him that name? Was he getting league-wide praise for his game at 20? Lots of ppl look like a flash I'm the pan. This is a different kind of accolades.
    It was given to him by people you would talk down to push your point as opposed to a person who gave the baby jokic name, who is a person you would talk up to push your point.

    I mean, Nic Tatum? Dirk nowitzki said kobe is the player of his generation, do you agree kobe was better than duncan?

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    Anthony Edwards says they should build the team around him. He's 20. In his second year and sometimes doesn't start. Yet getting praise from his fellow players. I think his peers know his value.

    Sengun will be a perennial all-star by his mid twenties. We ed up. Just accept it.
    This was more a diss to their iso guards who have gotten trashed by other players lately.

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    It was given to him by people you would talk down to push your point as opposed to a person who gave the baby jokic name, who is a person you would talk up to push your point.

    I mean, Nic Tatum? Dirk nowitzki said kobe is the player of his generation, do you agree kobe was better than duncan?
    At least they're in the same universe man. Harold Minor and Jordan clearly aren't.

    And Sengun is no Jokic...yet. Nor may he ever be. But the dude is 20, getting inconsistent minutes, and still gor his first triple dub. And more to my point, he's getting league-wide praise for his game and impact on the floor.

    Come on man. This has nothing to do with pushing a point based on a nonsensical comparison of Minor to Jordan.

    Spurs ed up. It's OK to acknowledge it.

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    At least they're in the same universe man. Harold Minor and Jordan clearly aren't.

    And Sengun is no Jokic...yet. Nor may he ever be. But the dude is 20, getting inconsistent minutes, and still gor his first triple dub. And more to my point, he's getting league-wide praise for his game and impact on the floor.

    Come on man. This has nothing to do with pushing a point based on a nonsensical comparison of Minor to Jordan.

    Spurs ed up. It's OK to acknowledge it.
    Minor got that name when he was in college.

    The entire point is people always overstate the potential and they almost always fall short. They over pay for youth over and over. Can Şengün be a mini jokic? Sure! He’s 20, he can even be the next Lebron. But to take nic batums word as proof is laughable. Nba players are notorious for poor talent evaluators. They are generally horrible at it.

    The spurs definitely made a mistake in primo. It’s not a debate any more but that’s with the benefit of hindsight.

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    The spurs definitely made a mistake in primo. It’s not a debate any more but that’s with the benefit of hindsight.
    No hindsight necessary, everybody but the FO saw it at the time.

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    At least they're in the same universe man. Harold Minor and Jordan clearly aren't.

    And Sengun is no Jokic...yet. Nor may he ever be. But the dude is 20, getting inconsistent minutes, and still gor his first triple dub. And more to my point, he's getting league-wide praise for his game and impact on the floor.

    Come on man. This has nothing to do with pushing a point based on a nonsensical comparison of Minor to Jordan.

    Spurs ed up. It's OK to acknowledge it.
    It sounds like you’re describing Dejounte. He was second all time on the spurs in trip dubs behind only Robinson, and yet, was only selected to an ASG as an injury replacement.

    A trip dub at a young age doesn’t signify anything other than one great game. Dejounte has a boatload of them, and i don’t think anyone sees a bunch more ASGs in his future.

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    No hindsight necessary, everybody but the FO saw it at the time.
    Everybody but PO saw DJM, white, and KJ as useless end of 1st round picks too.

    People were shocked at the primo pick then and kept harping on lottery pick this and lottery pick that, fact is 12th picks a most likely to be a low end starter or some role player bench guys. For a team as bad and talentless as the spurs I have no issues with them taking the risk and swing for the fence on pure potential. If he didn’t become the third Johnson on the team the debate would still be up.

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    Everybody but PO saw DJM, white, and KJ as useless end of 1st round picks too.
    That's complete BS. Dejounte & Keldon at the time were supposed to be taken much higher (even in the lottery), what was surprising was the fact that they were available that low. Quick google search:
    Mock drafts for Dejounte:
    13) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nd-predictions
    14) https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2016-nba-mock-draft/
    15) https://www.nbadraft.net/2016-extended-mock-draft-6-0/
    17) https://www.espn.com/espn/ vitale...nba-mock-draft
    20) https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...ks-to-be-done/
    21) https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/ch...nba-mock-draft
    21) https://www.si.com/nba/2016/05/18/2016-nba-mock-draft
    Average: 17,3 - Actual: 29
    Mock drafts for Keldon:

    14) https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-extended-mock-draft-4-0/
    18) https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2019/
    18) https://theathletic.com/1031345/2019/06/18/vecenie-2019-nba-mock-draft-6-0-live-updates-projecting-the-field-reacting-to-trade-talk/
    18) https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...nd/1486075001/
    20) https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2...ng-up-at-no-4/
    21) https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/sam-s...nba-mock-draft
    22) https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2019-nba-mock-draft/
    22) https://www.businessinsider.com/2019...n-johnson-f-22
    23) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nba-mock-draft
    27) https://www.si.com/nba/2019/06/20/nb...s-knicks-hawks
    Average: 20,3 - Actual: 29
    So the notion that they picked players who were outside the radar is LAUGHABLE when basically Dejounte and Keldon were projected to go 12 and 9 slots earlier respectively and ended up falling into their lap. In fact had the Spurs thought of Keldon that highly they wouldn't have risked taking him at 29, when they had the chance of grabbing him at 19 and passed in favor of LUKA SAMANIC. So he could have easily been gone by then. My point isn't that the FO doesn't deserve recognition in the picks you mention, because THEY DO as they pulled the trigger where others didn't and that's the important thing, much in the same way everyone has a right to call them on the Primo pick, not only because it didn't pan out, but because it was always a stupid, stupid pick.
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    I'm not sure most here "trashes" Sengun - but I'm in the camp that he is a player who would have us stuck in play-in purgatory. Not good enough to be a star, too good for a true tank.

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    Minor got that name when he was in college.

    The entire point is people always overstate the potential and they almost always fall short. They over pay for youth over and over. Can Şengün be a mini jokic? Sure! He’s 20, he can even be the next Lebron. But to take nic batums word as proof is laughable. Nba players are notorious for poor talent evaluators. They are generally horrible at it.

    The spurs definitely made a mistake in primo. It’s not a debate any more but that’s with the benefit of hindsight.
    Won't keep this going further other than to repeat, this is far from just a single player like Batum heaping praise on him.

    Quick google search: Match these players that like his game with these quotes: Edwards, Gobert, or Giannis?

    “He has been getting better and better, I think he is very unique in the way that he plays. The way that he is finishing. Last year he was turning the ball over more, but this year he has gotten a lot better.”

    He’s a good player. He takes his time; nothing can speed him up. He might be slow in the post, but he’s effective. He’s playing well. He’s playing a lot of minutes off the bench and gives energy to his teammates. He rebounds the ball well. He’s being aggressive and sets good screens. I think the sky’s the limit for him.

    “Me personally, I think they need to build around No. 28 (Sengun), “Jalen (Green) and KPJ (Kevin Porter Jr.) are franchise players also, but that dude is something serious. We had to game plan for him.”

    Spurs ed up. Hadn't business reaching for Primo when this guy's game was right before their eyes. They had him in for a tryout too.

    Answer: Top quote: Gobert; Middle quote: Giannis; Last quote: Edwards

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    I'm not sure most here "trashes" Sengun - but I'm in the camp that he is a player who would have us stuck in play-in purgatory. Not good enough to be a star, too good for a true tank.
    Well, he's not exactly helping Houston win games.

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    Well, he's not exactly helping Houston win games.
    So he likely wouldn’t have effected the tank as a 19 year old. But at 23 he’s going to be an annual all star along with Haliburton.

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    That's complete BS. Dejounte & Keldon at the time were supposed to be taken much higher (even in the lottery), what was surprising was the fact that they were available that low. Quick google search:
    Mock drafts for Dejounte:
    13) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nd-predictions
    14) https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2016-nba-mock-draft/
    15) https://www.nbadraft.net/2016-extended-mock-draft-6-0/
    17) https://www.espn.com/espn/ vitale...nba-mock-draft
    20) https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...ks-to-be-done/
    21) https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/ch...nba-mock-draft
    21) https://www.si.com/nba/2016/05/18/2016-nba-mock-draft
    Average: 17,3 - Actual: 29
    Mock drafts for Keldon:

    14) https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-extended-mock-draft-4-0/
    18) https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2019/
    18) https://theathletic.com/1031345/2019/06/18/vecenie-2019-nba-mock-draft-6-0-live-updates-projecting-the-field-reacting-to-trade-talk/
    18) https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...nd/1486075001/
    20) https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2...ng-up-at-no-4/
    21) https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/sam-s...nba-mock-draft
    22) https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2019-nba-mock-draft/
    22) https://www.businessinsider.com/2019...n-johnson-f-22
    23) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nba-mock-draft
    27) https://www.si.com/nba/2019/06/20/nb...s-knicks-hawks
    Average: 20,3 - Actual: 29
    So the notion that they picked players who were outside the radar is LAUGHABLE when basically Dejounte and Keldon were projected to go 12 and 9 slots earlier respectively and ended up falling into their lap. In fact had the Spurs thought of Keldon that highly they wouldn't have risked taking him at 29, when they had the chance of grabbing him at 19 and passed in favor of LUKA SAMANIC. So he could have easily been gone by then. My point isn't that the FO doesn't deserve recognition in the picks you mention, because THEY DO as they pulled the trigger where others didn't and that's the important thing, much in the same way everyone has a right to call them on the Primo pick, not only because it didn't pan out, but because it was always a stupid, stupid pick.
    FO doesn’t deserve credit when they got it. It deserves blame when they messed. Got it. Very irrefutable logic. Do you hire? I’d like to work for you.

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