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    Making a determination based on counting stats without context.
    Strawman backpedal.
    Yawn.

    Lets hear your reasoning.
    Ive seen the games.

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    Strawman backpedal.
    Yawn.

    Lets hear your reasoning.
    Ive seen the games.
    Counting stats, especially in cases like this, are largely mpg/usage dependant. Of course, as a primary ball handler and the mostly default second option on one of the least talented teams in the league, Murray was going to post superior ones to a stretch big, who was coming off of missing about a year with an injury and playing on a significantly deeper team.

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    Yawn you've given zero reasons why Jackson Jr is purportedly better.
    Step up or step off.

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    You're the one questioning it (like it's controversial and not consensus), so tell me why Murray is supposedly better and do so with substance.

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    I actually pretty strongly doubt it's consensus that JJJ IS better than Murray. I just think most would rather have JJJ because he's younger and has skills at a harder position to get right. Like it's a no-brainer that I'd rather have him, but that's not because he's actually better. In that same vein, I don't know that many folks would prefer Porzingas to Murray. Dude was a great player, but he has a bad at ude and a worse contract while also having shaky health which robbed him of the agility he used to possess. He's no longer a unicorn due in large part to players like JJJ. If I didn't basically want Murray traded, I'd probably take him over KP.

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    I actually mostly agree with this. But it's been consensus that Jackson Jr. is better than Murray, so even if it's debatable at this exact moment, based on history and scarcity/value of skillset, I'm giving him the nod. The same goes for Porzingis. Although he's a ticking time bomb health wise, I'll at least give him a healthy/motivated off season to redeem himself.

    Still, let's not get bogged down playing the semantics game and lose sight of the overriding point.

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    is it too soon for me to bump this?

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    is it too soon for me to bump this?
    have at it

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    They won't get any help from this year's draft next year.

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    Primo is going to become a super star, Keldon & DJ will become allstars and Vassell & Luka will become fringe allstars. Add in really good rotational players Jakob, LW4, TJ & Wiesy. Not that bad of a future.

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    I forgot about D. White. Add him to the fringe allstar group.

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    Primo is going to become a super star, Keldon & DJ will become allstars and Vassell & Luka will become fringe allstars. Add in really good rotational players Jakob, LW4, TJ & Wiesy. Not that bad of a future.
    What about White? Still has the ability to become the next Kobe/MJ/Lebron

    #stacked

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    is it too soon for me to bump this?
    We are still waiting for Samanic to hit that all star level, so go ahead.

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    can y’all imagine forbes in the starting lineup again?

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    Brian Wright is making TD21 seem way less contrarian. Houston is a mess but so are we.

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    future seems to be a lil bit brighter than before this offseason

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    Houston is worse this season,tbh

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    Houston is worse this season,tbh
    if that sticks then the rockets will just get another higher draft pick than the spurs.

    spurs can't win and the spurs can't tank, they're stuck.

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    if that sticks then the rockets will just get another higher draft pick than the spurs.

    spurs can't win and the spurs can't tank, they're stuck.



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    We have a good team, it's the coaching that's ed up. We should only have 2 losses right now and that's against the Bucks and denver

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    as of right now this thread is true. They also got the worst coach

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    We are still waiting for Samanic to hit that all star level, so go ahead.
    ouch

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    I actually think the guys are playing really hard and have had a really hard schedule early. They may not have the talent, and it looks bad on offense when they devolve to 1 on 1 play, but they are trying out there.

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    Maybe blue font was necessary? That said the Samanic fandom aged like milk, some fans were predicting all star level back then... That's why I made that comment.

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