View Poll Results: Which position do the Spurs need to strengthen?

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    Positionally/role wise, big wing. Skillset wise, sniper.

    None of the youth are movement or pullup 3-point shooters and the only ones who are average or better in terms of combining percentage and volume from 3, are White, Walker, Vassell.
    I agree to a certain extent. I think no matter how pure of a shooter you are, there will be nights where the shots aren't falling and when that's happening, what else are you providing? Are you giving good defense like Vassell? When no one is creating shots, can they break down a defender? This is my basis for the future starting four-- to be more skilled than your average forward. Dynamic guys over one dimensional (includes pure shooters, players who rely on athleticism, players who can generate assists but can't shoot, etc.) guys, basically.
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    What we really need to draft is a guy (whatever the position) who has the ability to be a legitimate #1 option on a championship worthy team... Admittedly that's proved, IMO, by the doing. We have a several guys who are good enough to be starters on a championship team (again, IMO : Keldon, White, DJ, maybe Vassel, maybe Samanic, maybe even Tre Jones & Lonnie *). But if we are going to compete, we need that guy. IMO, it's not Demar nor are we going to get said guy through FA/Trade. That leaves the draft, and IMO pushes us towards picking high potential, even if there is more risk...

    So, Best Potential Available, regardless of position.

    *Note that Poeltl isn't on this list - he is currently fatally flawed. It's not that he has to score a specified amount (KobesAchilles), but he has to be able to shoot at least 60% on FT's, and punish a team that puts a small (=<6'8") on him; he hasn't demonstrated either of those and he's in year 5 in the NBA.
    So more Luka Samanic type picks over Devin Vassell type picks. Gotcha.

    Honestly, any player's perceived ceiling instantly raises when you're drafted by the Spurs. I'm fine with prospects who look like they have it all figured out and know how to play basketball, rather than the raw kid who has all the physical tools. The Spurs can work with both types of guys.

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    in the 15-20 range if Greg Brown is there, you take him. The fit and potential is there. He reminds me a lot of Patrick Williams at FSU last year.

    Jalen Johnson interests me with his combination of physical tools and offensive versatility. Like a slow mo archetype with more athleticism and mobility. Not putting too much stock into him opting out and choosing not to play for free and risk hurting himself. NCAA deserves it and the predraft process will give the org the chance to figure out how he will work to improve in the NBA. Likely he's well gone by the time we pick but I see him being one of the better long term players in this draft and the idea of him coming off the bench as a shot creating 4 is nice.

    Give me Wagner if the other 2 are not available. We can develop shooters- I'm not worried if they aren't hitting 40% from 3 at 19.

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    I've seen a bit and IMO, he would classify as an athletic forward in this league. His length, stature, and narrow frame doesn't seem to be ideal for an anchor big, he wouldn't cover enough space with his body. While his shooting stroke isn't quite polished enough to be a reliable shooter from 3, I wouldn't classify him as a stretch big either. He looks like a quality rim running, weak side blocking, athletic forward. It's early but he's being projected as undrafted, so if the Spurs want him they could get him.
    Another consequence of this draft being so deep is that the undrafted player pool will also be better than normal. I would love for the NBA to expand G-League and big league rosters and reward good scouting as in baseball, but that's another discussion.

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    Do you think our future four should be a rim rolling Jerami Grant type as opposed to a Pascal Siakam? Pascal is who I thought of when I made my description for "big wing". Someone who could handle the ball a little bit, do some playmaking as our four to keep the opponent guessing.

    As far as Vassell goes, I'm starting to think maybe they weren't fully bought in with Lonnie, so they wanted to find another guy to build up into our wing of the future (just like the possibility that they are not convinced by Luka, that they would invest in another stretch big this year).
    It sure is a luxury to hit on most of your picks and then lock them into what will end up as bargain deals. Agree on Vassell/Walker though part of it may have been Vassell having a very high draft grade (and when deciding between him and Halliburton, already full at that position). Those were the two guys screaming to be taken at that spot.

    I think the Siakam vs. Grant comparison depends on Demar. If the Spurs are keeping him, you’re less concerned with getting a Siakam type as there are adequate creators. Also depends on where they see Luka and KJ shaking out in terms of role.

    I’d lean the Grant-type route over Siakam-type (not saying I’d take Grant over Siakam, just player type).

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    It sure is a luxury to hit on most of your picks and then lock them into what will end up as bargain deals. Agree on Vassell/Walker though part of it may have been Vassell having a very high draft grade (and when deciding between him and Halliburton, already full at that position). Those were the two guys screaming to be taken at that spot.

    I think the Siakam vs. Grant comparison depends on Demar. If the Spurs are keeping him, you’re less concerned with getting a Siakam type as there are adequate creators. Also depends on where they see Luka and KJ shaking out in terms of role.

    I’d lean the Grant-type route over Siakam-type (not saying I’d take Grant over Siakam, just player type).
    All great points. I agree.

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    Looking at the range of 18 -24 i am looking at:

    Best SG/SF instant offense.
    1. Ayo Dosunmu 6'5 PG/SG Villanova - Averaging 21.2 Pts and 5.0 Rebounds a game instant offense
    2. Terrence Shannon Jr SG Texas Tech - Averaging 18.0 pts and 7.0 Rebounds a game also good offense and defense
    3. Keyontae Johnson 6'6 Florida SF- Was averaging 28.4pts and 8 Rebounds a game before heart issue

    Best Big Men.
    1. Day'Ron Sharpe 6'11 C North Carolina - Averaging 20pts and 14.4 Rebounds a game
    2. Greg Brown 6'9 PF UT - Averaging 17.3 pts and 12.1 Rebounds - Early in season he was looked as lottery but since he has 33 turnovers his stock has tanked
    3. Isaiah Jackson 6 '9 wing 7.0 - Athletic rim running shot blocker

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    Looking at the range of 18 -24 i am looking at:

    Best SG/SF instant offense.
    1. Ayo Dosunmu 6'5 PG/SG Villanova - Averaging 21.2 Pts and 5.0 Rebounds a game instant offense
    2. Terrence Shannon Jr SG Texas Tech - Averaging 18.0 pts and 7.0 Rebounds a game also good offense and defense
    3. Keyontae Johnson 6'6 Florida SF- Was averaging 28.4pts and 8 Rebounds a game before heart issue

    Best Big Men.
    1. Day'Ron Sharpe 6'11 C North Carolina - Averaging 20pts and 14.4 Rebounds a game
    2. Greg Brown 6'9 PF UT - Averaging 17.3 pts and 12.1 Rebounds - Early in season he was looked as lottery but since he has 33 turnovers his stock has tanked
    3. Isaiah Jackson 6 '9 wing 7.0 - Athletic rim running shot blocker
    These stats are on a per 36 base, not per game.

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    Vrenz might be the guy for some people looking for sharp shooters.

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    These stats are on a per 36 base, not per game.
    Yeah, sorry I didn't put that in thanks for catching that BG

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    Stretch big - potential Luka replacement: Alperen Sengun


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    Athletic forward - fills rim rolling need and adds weakside blocking - Usman Garuba


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    Combo guard - potential X-factor and Lonnie replacement - Ayo Dosunmu


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    Yeah our offense can't survive with another stationary three point shooter. I don't like the fit with Franz or Herb, especially Herb 1.7 attempts and senior jump are common red flags.
    People defaulting to "not worried about shooting, Engelleand will fix it" are missing the point. Every core piece can't range from slightly above average to bare minimum, especially when none are dynamic creators either. That's an untenable combination.


    I agree to a certain extent. I think no matter how pure of a shooter you are, there will be nights where the shots aren't falling and when that's happening, what else are you providing? Are you giving good defense like Vassell? When no one is creating shots, can they break down a defender? This is my basis for the future starting four-- to be more skilled than your average forward. Dynamic guys over one dimensional (includes pure shooters, players who rely on athleticism, players who can generate assists but can't shoot, etc.) guys, basically.
    Not suggesting specialists (they're fine if you have elite creators), but you need pullup/movement volume 3-point shooters because whether they're on in a particular game(s) or not, they warp defenses.

    The pullup ones increase the pickup point of the big defending the pnr (hedging/trapping), which creates 4 on 3s and the movement ones often force the big defending the final screen (before coming off) to step out, which creates pocket passes for either uncontested layups/dunks or if the weakside rotates in time, kickouts for wide open corner spot up 3s.

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    Combo guard - potential X-factor and Lonnie replacement - Ayo Dosunmu


    Yeah if he is there I would draft him and try to package Walker to get draft pick or a player of need PF/C

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    Stretch Big - Potential Luka Samanic replacement - Isaiah Todd


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    The more I’m paying attention to Collins the more I don’t want to pay him the max. Though we are going to have to pay somebody and taking a chance on a young up and coming big man is typically a good bet. But I’m not sure he addresses any needs.

    ontoh maybe re-signing DDR and drafting a stretch big man is the way for us to go for the future

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    The more I’m paying attention to Collins the more I don’t want to pay him the max. Though we are going to have to pay somebody and taking a chance on a young up and coming big man is typically a good bet. But I’m not sure he addresses any needs.

    ontoh maybe re-signing DDR and drafting a stretch big man is the way for us to go for the future
    Trade for another team's RFA (ahem Duncan Robinson)

    Problem solved with the cap room we have.

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    Trade for another team's RFA (ahem Duncan Robinson)

    Problem solved with the cap room we have.
    Can he rebound though?

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    Can he rebound though?
    Nah, it's less about addressing our needs but more on not letting our cap room go to waste by not going after any players. Since the unrestricted free agent market is bad, it's worth a look at restricted FAs who other teams don't want to pay to keep.

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    Trade for another team's RFA (ahem Duncan Robinson)

    Problem solved with the cap room we have.
    How do you feel about Robinson's defense, D? I'm obviously drawn to his volume shooting, and he's definitely an overall positive impact player, but his defensive shortcomings worry me a bit, especially when they look to be more physique/body-based than IQ/experience-based ones. And how much do you think he'd cost to snatch him from Miami as a FA? I don't see the Spurs and Miami making trades this season, especially not one that results in Miami losing a big player of their rotation given their season objective...

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    How do you feel about Robinson's defense, D? I'm obviously drawn to his volume shooting, and he's definitely an overall positive impact player, but his defensive shortcomings worry me a bit, especially when they look to be more physique/body-based than IQ/experience-based ones. And how much do you think he'd cost to snatch him from Miami as a FA? I don't see the Spurs and Miami making trades this season, especially not one that results in Miami losing a big player of their rotation given their season objective...
    I actually only have a casual fan's exposure to Duncan Robinson lmao

    All I know is he lit it up in last year's playoffs.

    Check the trade deadline thread, someone said there's a rumor that the Heat want to get DeMar by giving us your boy Precious and Duncan...

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    Wing - Would add depth behind Devin Vassell - Terrence Shannon Jr.



    Personally not a fan. Doesn't look quick, isn't a sharp shooter. Looks somewhat smart on defense though. Short wingspan.

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    Our team will need more size moving forward. Ideally a big that can shoot threes and free throws. We're a pretty small team once you take LMA and Gay off the roster.

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    Trading Demar for Precious and Duncan Robinson? It fills two needs. My immediate reaction is: yes, please. But why would Miami do this?

    (On a tangent, I would look forward to the Pizza Hut commercial with Duncan Robinson delivering a pizza to Tim Duncan and David Robinson.)

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