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Easy: athletic forward. Gay and DDR are likely gone soon. It’s a position of need.
Point Guard
Combo Guard
Wing
Big Wing
Athletic Forward
Stretch Big
Anchor Big
Using these seven categories for players:
Point guard, able to do one or more of the following:
-Be the team general, run set plays
-Be a microwave scorer, score 3's in bunches
-Most effective when guarding 1's and 2's
-Advanced ball handler
Current Spurs Players: Dejounte Murray, Tre Jones
2021 Draft Prospects: N/A (have not researched)
Combo guard, able to do one or more of the following:
-Secondary playmaker, occasionally takes over playmaking duties
-Can guard 1-3, most effective against 1's and 2's
-Can create his own shot
-Be a microwave scorer, score 3's in bunches
-Advanced ball handler
Current Spurs Players: Derrick White, Patty Mills, Lonnie Walker, Quinndary Weatherspoon
2021 Draft Prospects: Ayo Dosunmu
Wing, able to do one or more of the following:
-Go-to scorer down the stretch
-Defensive specialist
-Shooting specialist
-Can guard 1-4, most effective against 2's and 3's
-Secondary playmaker
-Roams the perimeter on offense
-Reliable ball handler
Current Spurs Players: Devin Vassell
2021 Draft Prospects: Brandon Boston Jr., Ziaire Williams
Intriguing Spurs G-League Player: Cam Reynolds
Big Wing (or Playmaking Big Forward), able to do one or more of the following:
-Can play the 4 position in line-ups
-Go-to scorer down the stretch
-Can guard 1-4, most effective against 3's and 4's
-Secondary playmaker
-Defensive specialist
-Offense is more inside than outside
-Reliable ball handler
-Can stretch floor with three point shooting
Current Spurs Players: DeMar DeRozan, Keldon Johnson, Rudy Gay, Keita Bates-Diop
2021 Draft Prospects: Franz Wagner, Herbert Jones, Vrenz Bleijenbergh, Trendon Watford, Sandro Mamukelashvili
Athletic Forward, able to do one or more of the following:
-Limited ball handling
-Can mostly only play the 4 in line-ups, too weak to play the 5 unless small ball is utilized
-Covers space on defense excellently
-Sets hard screens and rolls to the rim quickly
-Very effective at blocking weakside shots
-Can guard 1-5, most effective against 3's and 4's
-Can stretch floor with three point shooting
-Able to run with the guards in transition
Current Spurs Players: None
2021 Draft Prospects: Ariel Hukporti, Greg Brown, Amar Sylla, Usman Garuba
Intriguing Spurs G-League Player: Nate Renfro
Stretch Big, able to do one or more of the following:
-Reliable three point shooter
-Has array of post up moves
-Can guard 4-5, occasionally 3's
-Usually tall
-Can switch on smaller players, but not quick enough to consistently chase 1's and 2's
-Adequate rim protection
-Able to play with another big
-Limited ball handling
Current Spurs Players: LaMarcus Aldridge, Luka Samanic, Trey Lyles
2021 Draft Prospects: Kai Jones, Isaiah Todd, Alperen Sengun
Anchor Big, able to do one or more of the following:
-Can guard 5's most effectively
-Best rim protector
-Sets hard screens
-Improves overall team defense
-Offense is mostly in the paint area
-Usually tall
-Not quick enough to roam outside the paint on defense
-Inexistent ball handling
Current Spurs Players: Jakob Poeltl, Drew Eubanks
2021 Draft Prospects: Jay Huff, Isaiah Jackson, Oscar da Silva
Intriguing Spurs G-League Player: Kylor Kelley
To me,
We do not need a point guard, I feel confident in the playmaking duties of Dejounte, Derrick, and hopefully soon, Tre.
We should not be looking at a combo guard, unless we are giving up on Lonnie Walker.
I do think we should beef up the wing depth behind Devin Vassell, another shooter / defense specialist would be nice.
I definitely think our biggest hole will be a big wing, due to the uncertainty of DeMar DeRozan and frankly, we're not tall or versatile enough at this position.
Another hole is an athletic forward, since we're hugely lacking in athleticism. It's a long shot, but I'm rooting hard for Nate Renfro to secure a contract with the main team. The prospects in the upcoming draft don't look much better than him.
I want Luka Samanic to succeed, therefore, I do not want us to start over again with a new prospect for our stretch big position. Getting depth here is easy through free agency, in my opinion.
I do not want another anchor big. Jakob, Eubanks are both holding the fort here.
Last edited by Dejounte; 02-21-2021 at 11:23 AM.
Easy: athletic forward. Gay and DDR are likely gone soon. It’s a position of need.
I think you forgot to include, package our 1st pick to get the 20/10 PF/C that Spurs need.
Bro, it's a fantasy to think we can land a 20/10 PF/C unless you're talking about John Collins, but even he is not doing that great lately. 8 points and 3 rebounds last night.
Because the future is bright for the young core. I’m not the only one who thinks that Spurs are 1 20/10 player away from being a contender. I sincerely believe that Demar + 20/10 PF/C + another year of improved DJ, Derrick, Keldon and Co = Contender. So if that 1st pick could be used to get that 20/10 PF/C player, then that's what PATFO should do, imo.
I don't disagree that that kind of player would launch the Spurs into playoff contention; I'm just saying those kinds of players are rare and hard to attain outside of the draft. And from where the Spurs are slated to select, it's likely going to be another project player that will take years to develop. No PF/C player drafted in the 10's or 20's is going to provide 20/10 right from the jump. I'm hoping Luka can become that. Or if the Spurs don't believe in Luka, then the guys they can start over with are Alperen Sengun or Isaiah Todd.
Which player do you have in mind that we would be able to get for just our first round pick. If they are younger they are going to cost more then our first rd pick. if they are older they are probably about ready to fall off. Also if we get said player who goes to the bench? I have seen to move KJ and DDR back to natural sf and sg positions but then do you send white to the bench? If we keep DDR we would not really have much money to sign him unless they are on our team already.
I'm going to state the obvious,
They need a superstar/1st team all nba caliber player.
Not sure and statistically unlikely, that any of the current, very good prospect will be that
Of course all but a few teams are looking for this
Nobody is suggesting a straight up trade 1st pick for a 20/10 PF/C. I said “package” that pick + whoever, maybe a Lonnie or Luka to get that 20/10 PF/C. Because that’s what Spurs immediate need to get to contention, and not another project. Trade the pick is my point, to include in one of the options.
Christian Wood would have been a perfect addition to this starting lineup, but that ship has sailed.
Let's get Franz Wagner and Jay Huff. Two stretch bigs. Huff would be a very good backup to Poetl, and still allow us to have a low post defender.
Yet I still think Samanic (or Keldon for that matter) could be that elusive 20/10. Can they make that leap and be ready next year? Can they hold the port and not be a defensive liability? It depends on their development, and could play a part on how we draft. IF Luka/Keldon can cement that PF/small ball C and play Jakob at starting C and knock shots? Then I would draft a defensive wing to back Devin. It all depends on how our young guns improve this year I guess.
You don't trade a pick in one of the most stacked drafts of the last recent years. If they want to package a pick, send out the 2022 or 2023 pick, whichever class is weaker
I would agree with you if we were picking in the top 12 right now it is looking like we will be picking probably 19 - 24. There is not a lot of guys in that range that really excite me but will see how we continue to do as the last couple of games have been against crappy teams.
Also, its more then likely that if LMA and Derozz leave we will probably have a good chance of getting another lottery pick in 2022 as we figure things out.
Bruh, we look like a playoff team without LMA, and I'm confident we'll be okay without DeRozan. Doubt we're going to fall off like you think. Our young guys will only get better. Imagine if Keldon or Vassell takes a big step forward next year like Dejounte did this year.
Last edited by Dejounte; 02-20-2021 at 04:25 PM.
The big wing description sounded more apt for Rudy Gay and KBD as I read it over, so I moved them from "athletic forward".
Interesting people are choosing an athletic forward over the big wing position. Anyone who voted that way want to leave a comment why? IMO, our starting four needs to be a big wing who can do some playmaking and can guard opposing 4's. Not necessarily another undersized one like Keldon, but there will be taller ones available in the draft as listed in the opening post.
I do agree it would be very appealing if we had an athletic forward who can run with our young guards.
BPA
I don't know, man. After passing up Tyrese Haliburton last year, I don't think you're gonna find another point guard like that so BPA seems not applicable for the point guard position. Plus, are we really going to take away minutes from Dejounte and Derrick when both seem to be on the rise? Sounds counter-productive.
Also, if your BPA is a combo guard, you're basically signalling the end for Lonnie.
Athletic big man or stretch 5
Anchor big man or athletic forward but my first choice is the big man Who can rebound, protect the rim....
Another Poeltl?! I thought you wanted Alperen Sengun (whom I classified as a stretch big)?
I still think that the Spurs fall to 9th in the West, and in the playoff play-in. That means that they'd likely picking around 14. Spurs should not trade their pick tbh. They might even find a starter with that pick.
We kinda of at a wierd spot. Most of our Rotation looks set for the future.
The two spots we kind of lack, is big Wing and an athetlic Forward.
So i guess we're looking at big3/4 or a high 1-1 defender that can guard 3s/4s.
Personally i had William as my top pick last year, and this year rhat pick is looking like Greg Brown.
Brown fills on alot of checkmarks for us. \
He has the size and length to play the 4, while having the skills of a 3.
I really do like his upside on the defenive end!
Biggest drawback of this is that Brown is a Lotto pick and we probably won't have a shot.
A guy that i Can see landing around our range could be Garuba.
His stock has been falling but he still has one of the highest upside is high.
Two major concerns,
1. His offenive upside, it needs alot of work.
2. his ability to play fefense on rhe perimemter. If he can play on the Perimemter, than he's going to be good, but if he can't he going to be a undersized Center.
Lastly we also have Luka, who's playing like a top 10 picks.
My only concern with him is defensive ability, and that about it.
This is what's concerning to me about Greg:
In today's game he had 0 points in 24 minutes.
He seems to have low bball IQ.
I, for one, am tired of dumb players.
Good post. Thanks Dejounte
You gave the answer;
Athletic Forward, able to do one or more of the following:
-Limited ball handling
-Can mostly only play the 4 in line-ups, too weak to play the 5 unless small ball is utilized
-Covers space on defense excellently
-Sets hard screens and rolls to the rim quickly
-Very effective at blocking weakside shots
-Can guard 1-5, most effective against 3's and 4's
-Can stretch floor with three point shooting
-Able to run with the guards in transition
Current Spurs Players: None
That part of the game is a concern, but i trust our development team.
If he has the desire to be great, his willing to work and doesn't have an at ude . I don't mind taking the upside.
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