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    ‘We have a responsibility’: AOC on the fight for $15 minimum wage
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    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., a leading proponent of the $15-an-hour wage, talks about the Democrats’ fight for increased minimum wage, stating she believes the parliamentarian should be overridden and that the number one priority should be, “making good on the promise we made and not allowing procedural obstacles to get in our way.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/Sports/oth...ge/vi-BB1e7AOF

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    Progressives stance is pretty clear here.

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    its nevertheless bad optics/politics to be holding up the relief bill for it.

    just make it a separate bill and nuke the filibuster

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    override the parliamentarian?

    Trent Lott FIRED the parliamentarian for ruling against Repug programs in 2001

    The parliamentarian is an advisor to the Vice-President, has no power to enforce or punish.

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    its nevertheless bad optics/politics to be holding up the relief bill for it.

    just make it a separate bill and nuke the filibuster
    Isn’t Moscow Manchin pretty dead set on keeping the filibuster?

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    Isn’t Moscow Manchin pretty dead set on keeping the filibuster?
    hes also dead set against 15/hr

    in the meantime you're holding up covid aid

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    This is the problem with some who live in a bubble and think the whole rest of the US is just like them - it just doesn't seem to get through their pretty little heads that maybe $15 in NYC ain't the equivalent in WV.

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    Right, all those kids with bright futures as coal miners....

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    This is the problem with some who live in a bubble and think the whole rest of the US is just like them - it just doesn't seem to get through their pretty little heads that maybe $15 in NYC ain't the equivalent in WV.
    Did Trump bring coal mining jobs back yet?

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    the only "optics" Repugs care about is

    1) being seen to scorched-earth OBSTRUCT everything from the Dems, which the party discipline demands

    2) pleasing their BigDonor class.

    They, in their safe-seat/gerrymandered/voter-oppressed districts and states, don't give the tiniest about how their voters "optic" them

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    We need to get the relief bill now.
    Whatever it takes.

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    You're going to believe the Malaysian incel?

    I mean it could even be true, but you for your sources.

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    You just posted an Ian Miles-Cheong tweet claiming things are 50% more expensive in Denmark and it didn't even occur to you that it might be bull .

    The New York Times, for instance, found that Big Macs cost “about 27 cents more on average in Denmark than in the United States.” But according to the “Big Mac Index” from the Economist, a Big Mac in Norway costs 76 cents less in “Denmark (US $4.90) than in the United States (US$5.66) at market exchange rates.”
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mc...rkers-denmark/

    Why do you guys keep going back to the well on these ing hucksters? Aren't you tired of being duped?

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    Believe. Adam Lambert's Avatar
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    its nevertheless bad optics/politics to be holding up the relief bill for it.

    just make it a separate bill and nuke the filibuster
    This is the way.

    $15 an hour as a federal minimum is bonkers anyway.

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    It's on Karrin'O'clock time I see.

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    https://www.economist.com/big-mac-index

    "50% more"

    Nope. Purchasing power is roughly equivalent, despite the slightly overvalued US currency.

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    its nevertheless bad optics/politics to be holding up the relief bill for it.

    just make it a separate bill and nuke the filibuster
    No chance with manchin.

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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    You just posted an Ian Miles-Cheong tweet claiming things are 50% more expensive in Denmark and it didn't even occur to you that it might be bull .



    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mc...rkers-denmark/

    Why do you guys keep going back to the well on these ing hucksters? Aren't you tired of being duped?
    You beat me to it.

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    Karrin botting an incel posting from Malaysia about Danish Big Macs

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    This is the way.

    $15 an hour as a federal minimum is bonkers anyway.
    agreed

    and to all the people saying "but manchin will never get rid of filibuster"... its not like manchin is supporting the 15/hr anyway

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    No chance with manchin.
    Sinema Must be a true centrist because there is no reason for her to be scared of wanting to get rid of it. Mark Kelly, freshly elected is seemingly fine with getting rid of the filibuster or voting for 15 min wage and he's up for relection in 2 years.

    That could change but she's on some power trip for sure.

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    Everyone seems to assume that every McDonald's (or Wendy's, or Pizza Hut, or whatever other token fast food chain is used in these discussions) is owned by a corporate en y and that higher wages for workers are coming out of those people's bloated paychecks and bonuses. That's not how it works. Fast food spots are often owned by some independent franchisee who pays royalties to the corporate brand for the rights to use their trademarks and recipes. A lot of times it's someone who worked their way up through restaurants on their own. Their margins are extremely tight as it is. $15 an hour for their whole staff is not a viable option.

    Meanwhile, the other company everyone likes to bring up, Walmart... Yes, Walmart can afford to pay $15 per hour. That's just another built-in advantage they're going to have over smaller businesses anytime they open in a rural area. So margins have already increased for small businesses, and now their biggest compe or has an easier time eating them alive because they won't have those issues.

    If you're going to make a drastic change in minimum wage you should make allowances for the size and revenue of the business ownership and the cost of living. But then you'd be left with complex legislation that makes it harder to explain in a tweet.

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    Everyone seems to assume that every McDonald's (or Wendy's, or Pizza Hut, or whatever other token fast food chain is used in these discussions) is owned by a corporate en y and that higher wages for workers are coming out of those people's bloated paychecks and bonuses. That's not how it works. Fast food spots are often owned by some independent franchisee who pays royalties to the corporate brand for the rights to use their trademarks and recipes. A lot of times it's someone who worked their way up through restaurants on their own. Their margins are extremely tight as it is. $15 an hour for their whole staff is not a viable option.

    Meanwhile, the other company everyone likes to bring up, Walmart... Yes, Walmart can afford to pay $15 per hour. That's just another built-in advantage they're going to have over smaller businesses anytime they open in a rural area. So margins have already increased for small businesses, and now their biggest compe or has an easier time eating them alive because they won't have those issues.

    If you're going to make a drastic change in minimum wage you should make allowances for the size and revenue of the business ownership and the cost of living. But then you'd be left with complex legislation that makes it harder to explain in a tweet.
    costco also pays above min wage

    but agreed re: fast food franchises

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    costco also pays above min wage
    And they should. CostCo stores are usually located in metro areas where the cost of living is higher, and they're certainly a big and profitable enough business to survive on higher wages.

    Walmart should pay those wages (among other benefits) as a rule. But we shouldn't force mom and pop stores to play on the same field.

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    I am a racist and I am liable to go to for laughing at

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