Projected Team Salary Combined Thread

[FutureMan]

It's an age old debate. You just rang the tank gang bell, and any minute now they're going to come in here with their spineless takes on how we need to lose every game this season not realizing there's much more that's lost than the record you have at the end of that season. It's completely short sighted.

Honestly, I think we're on the verge of something great. Jokic wasn't recognized for his greatness until his third or fourth season in the league, and neither was Jamal Murray. We only need a couple of our players to emerge, and it's too early to tell if one of them won't. The Nuggets are the model for how any team should build. Think about it-- they will be in playoff contention for a long time and they have their players locked up forever. There was no need for go big or go home signings, there was no need for tanking. They did it through solid roster construction and letting their compe ive status develop their players.

Don't forget, *We are a small market team*. You mention that championship teams have top ten players but fail to mention that most of those teams were big market ones who won with players who walked through their door because it's a big market.

Also, how the are Markannen and Collins top ten players in your eyes?

Relax a little bit man. I never said tank. Never said Markkanen or Collins were top ten players.

I said this team will need to push. It’s going to take a combination of developing AND trading. Just like you roll your eyes at the people who want to tank I can just as easily roll my eyes at you. Ive seen a lot of your posts basically saying that signing anyone is a bad idea. The Spurs may very well need to sign Collins just to flip him and two other pieces for something better.

The whole small market team is old news at this point for me. More and more people are moving to the San Antonio/Austin area. If this organization can’t change that then I again challenge their greatness. Plus the Spurs are “the small market team” to win championships.

Don’t get me wrong though, I’m very excited for the players we have and I get you’re excitement for this group.

The main point I wanted to make is that big trades and/or signings will need to happen for the Spurs to get back into competing again.

[Dejounte]

Relax a little bit man. I never said tank. Never said Markkanen or Collins were top ten players.

I said this team will need to push. It’s going to take a combination of developing AND trading. Just like you roll your eyes at the people who want to tank I can just as easily roll my eyes at you. Ive seen a lot of your posts basically saying that signing anyone is a bad idea. The Spurs may very well need to sign Collins just to flip him and two other pieces for something better.

The whole small market team is old news at this point for me. More and more people are moving to the San Antonio/Austin area. If this organization can’t change that then I again challenge their greatness. Plus the Spurs are “the small market team” to win championships.

Don’t get me wrong though, I’m very excited for the players we have and I get you’re excitement for this group.

The main point I wanted to make is that big trades and/or signings will need to happen for the Spurs to get back into competing again.

I never said anything about not doing trades. But if it's trades for the sake of trading, then it's a no go for me dawg. Just the same with free agency. You think my idea that not signing anyone is unique to myself, but you can go read anywhere else and you'll learn that this free agent crop is bare and mostly everyone shares the idea that a lot of the free agents are crap. So why do you think I feel the way that I do about it being a bad idea?

Someone already brought it up that signing Collins may very well bite us in the ass later on if he doesn't produce for the Spurs. I've said in the past that his numbers are inflated, and I don't have much confidence he'll be much better with the Spurs.

Also, it's not even true your statement of "I don't think the Spurs should sign anyone". Literally in this very thread, I proposed that the Spurs could be looking at international talent in free agency.

And again, to your main point that big signings need to happen for the Spurs to compete -- sure, but not this offseason when all of the free agents are crap.

[bluebellmaniac]

I added some additional Estimates on salary and included 1st round picks for 22-23 and 23-24.

Also adjusted Patty to a 2-year extension instead of 3 to help with the number of players in 23-24. Having someone with DeMar type of pay won't work past 2 more seasons, at least not without deep cuts to the rest of the team. Not worth it in my opinion. I'd rather be deep.

We don't want any lingering contracts back in exchange for LMA. I think it might even be best to do a buy-out or just pay it out and let it expire. Why? Because in 22-23 we are looking at a number crunch on the number of players on the team. The good thing from that is we should be DEEEEEEP. I'm talking throwing waves of good players at the other team. Starters may dig a hole, but we will wear them down or force them to play their starters enormous minutes. And if our starters hold their own, we should be looking at a team that can make a deep run in the playoffs. So even getting picks for LMA wouldn't be helpful. Now I don't mind getting a BETTER pick, but we'd have to dump ours somehow.

		21-22	22-23	23-24	24-25
1	Derrick White	$15,678,571	$16,892,857	$18,107,143	$19,321,429
2	Dejounte Murray	$15,428,880	$16,571,120	$17,714,000	$19,485,400
3	Jakob Poeltl	$8,750,000	$9,398,148	$16,000,000	$16,800,000
4	Lonnie Walker	$4,453,617	$6,319,683	$0	$0
5	Devin Vassell	$4,235,160	$4,437,000	$5,887,899	$16,000,000
6	Luka Samanic	$2,959,080	$4,556,983	$16,000,000	$16,800,000
7	Keldon Johnson	$2,145,720	$3,873,024	$16,000,000	$16,800,000
8	Drew Eubanks	$1,762,796	$1,910,860	$0	$0
9	Tre Jones	$1,517,981	$1,782,621	$4,500,000	$4,850,000
10	Trey Lyles	$5,500,000	$5,775,000	$6,063,750
11	Patty Mills	$8,000,000	$8,000,000
12	DeMar DeRozan	$27,500,000	$28,875,000
13	FA - TBD (MLE)	$10,242,750	$10,730,500	$11,218,250
14	1st Rd Pick (21-22) 20th	$2,216,300	$2,327,100	$2,437,900	$3,754,366
	1st Rd Pick (22-23) 20th		$2,250,000	$2,350,000	$2,450,000
	1st Rd Pick (23-24) 20th			$2,350,000	$2,450,000
	DMC (Dead $)	$1,242,340
	Nate Renfro	2-Way	$2,000,000	$2,100,000
	Keita Bates-Diop	2-Way	$2,000,000	$2,100,000
	Totals:	$111,633,195	$127,699,896	$122,828,942	$118,711,195
	Salary Cap Max:	$112,414,200	$115,786,626	$119,260,225	$122,838,032
	Lux Tax Thresh	$136,605,810	$140,703,984	$144,925,104	$149,272,857
			3% increase	3% increase	3% increase
	*All data from HoopsHype.com except where noted
	Red = Team Option			Purple = Mid-Level Exception (from HoopsRumors.com)
	Green = Qualifying Offer			Blue = My Estimate
	Season 23-24 Roster Projections
	Point guard:	Combo guard:	Wing:
	Dejounte Murray	Derrick White	Devin Vassell
	Tre Jones	Patty Mills
	Big Wing (or Playmaking Big Forward):	Athletic Forward:	Stretch Big:
	Keldon Johnson	Nate Renfro	Luka Samanic
	Keita Bates-Diop		Trey Lyles
	Anchor Big:
	Jakob Poeltl

[bluebellmaniac]

Here is where we are currently at. The emphasis is clearly on '22-'23. Included are projected positions (I probably have some wrong, so mention it and I'll adjust).

If we get Chet, then Poeltl would likely be traded draft day. If we are in the top 3, but don't get Chet, we probably have our Playmaking / Athletic Forward of the future.

			3% increase	3% increase	3% increase
	Cap Maximum:	$112,414,200	$115,786,626	$119,260,225	$122,838,032
	Lux Tax Thresh	$136,605,810	$140,703,984	$144,925,104	$149,272,857
		21-22	22-23	23-24	24-25
1	Dejounte Murray	$15,428,880	$16,571,120	$17,714,000	$0
2	Doug McDermott	$13,750,000	$13,750,000	$13,750,000
3	Josh Richardson	$11,615,328	$12,196,094
4	Jakob Poeltl	$8,750,000	$9,398,148	$0	$0
5	Zach Collins	$7,000,000	$7,350,000	$7,700,000
6	Lonnie Walker	$4,453,617	$6,319,683	$0	$0
7	Romeo Langford	$3,804,360	$5,634,257	$7,837,251
8	Devin Vassell	$4,235,160	$4,437,000	$5,887,899	$8,060,534
9	Josh Primo	$3,946,800	$4,144,320	$4,341,600	$5,982,725
10	Keldon Johnson	$2,145,720	$3,873,024	$5,809,536	$0
11	Keita Bates-Diop	$1,729,217	$1,878,720
12	Tre Jones	$1,517,981	$1,782,621	$0	$0
13	Joe Wieskamp	$462,629	$1,576,305
14	Devontae Cacok	$462,629	$1,576,305
15	Jock Landale	$925,258	$1,563,518
16	Tomas Satoransky	$10,000,000
17	'22 FRP ~6		$5,639,700	$5,908,500	$5,908,500
	'22 FRP ~18		$2,602,400	$2,732,400	$2,862,600
	'22 FRP ~20		$2,385,700	$2,504,900	$2,624,000
	Totals:		$102,678,915	$74,186,086	$25,438,359
	Salary Room:		$38,025,069	$70,739,018	$123,834,498
	*All data from HoopsHype.com except where noted
	Red = Team Option
	Green = Qualifying Offer			Blue = My Estimate
	Gold = RealGM Source			Purple = 2-Way Contract
	Point guard:	Combo guard:	Wing:	Orange = Not likely to be back (per me)
	Dejounte Murray	Josh Primo	Joe Wieskamp
	Tre Jones	Lonnie Walker	Romeo Langford
	Tomas Satoransky	Josh Richardson	Devin Vassell
	Big Wing (or Playmaking Big Forward):	Athletic Forward:	Stretch Big:	Anchor Big:
	Doug McDermott			Jakob Poeltl
	Keldon Johnson			Zach Collins
	Keita Bates-Diop			Jock Landale
				Devontae Cacok

[stnick2261]

If Murray continues this upwards trend and we get a top draft pick this year... that $70mil in '23 capspace is going to be very enticing for a young FA to start a new dynasty here

[bluebellmaniac]

If Murray continues this upwards trend and we get a top draft pick this year... that $70mil in '23 capspace is going to be very enticing for a young FA to start a new dynasty here

There's a lot to back-fill on the roster, plus Primo and Vassell getting new deals, but yeah, should be enough to pay a decent PF if we address C in the draft (get Chet), or best free agent available if we address our PF needs in the draft.

[KingKev]

There's a lot to back-fill on the roster, plus Primo and Vassell getting new deals, but yeah, should be enough to pay a decent PF if we address C in the draft (get Chet), or best free agent available if we address our PF needs in the draft.

Salary Cap vs Luxury Tax

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[exstatic]

Salary Cap vs Luxury Tax

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This. You can only go over the cap to re-sign your own players, not to sign FAs. This is why Lonnie has to GO, and KBD, Tre, and Jock should not be too comfortable. When Satoransky rolls off, we will only have two roster spots, and we have four picks, plus any FAs we may have our eyes on.

[KingKev]

This. You can only go over the cap to re-sign your own players, not to sign FAs. This is why Lonnie has to GO, and KBD, Tre, and Jock should not be too comfortable. When Satoransky rolls off, we will only have two roster spots, and we have four picks, plus any FAs we may have our eyes on.

Yesssir. My back of the envelope math sees our payroll at ~85mm with an estimated 119mm cap assuming Walker is gone. I believe we can technically use that whole 35ish in trades/free agency and go over the cap to sign our own rookies.

PATFO has set themselves up for an incredible amount of flexibility as required come draft day and free agency. Richardson, Collins and to a lesser extent McLovin are all very movable contracts.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yesssir. My back of the envelope math sees our payroll at ~85mm with an estimated 119mm cap assuming Walker is gone. I believe we can technically use that whole 35ish in trades/free agency and go over the cap to sign our own rookies.

PATFO has set themselves up for an incredible amount of flexibility as required come draft day and free agency. Richardson, Collins and to a lesser extent are all very movable contracts.

They can't do it. Each pick has a cap hold in the same way that Lonnie's expiring contract will. If they don't trade their picks each one's hold will reduce the team's available cap space.

[KingKev]

They can't do it. Each pick has a cap hold in the same way that Lonnie's expiring contract will. If they don't trade their picks each one's hold will reduce the team's available cap space.

I haven't researched it in depth myself. You are an astute poster so I will take your word. Those 3 picks will probably equate to 15mm I guess.

[bluebellmaniac]

I assume Walker won't be back, which makes room for all three FRPs. That also frees up an extra $6M in cap space. The FRP are accounted for as cap holds. We don't have a big cap hold on existing players, but might for '23-24 if we don't extend early. To fit a FA next year, we'd likely trade a FRP or an existing player in a sign and trade.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I haven't researched it in depth myself. You are an astute poster so I will take your word. Those 3 picks will probably equate to 15mm I guess.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale

These are the rookie scale contracts for 2021. The cap hold is 120% of these numbers.

[stnick2261]

This. You can only go over the cap to re-sign your own players, not to sign FAs. This is why Lonnie has to GO, and KBD, Tre, and Jock should not be too comfortable. When Satoransky rolls off, we will only have two roster spots, and we have four picks, plus any FAs we may have our eyes on.

Yesssir. My back of the envelope math sees our payroll at ~85mm with an estimated 119mm cap assuming Walker is gone. I believe we can technically use that whole 35ish in trades/free agency and go over the cap to sign our own rookies.

PATFO has set themselves up for an incredible amount of flexibility as required come draft day and free agency. Richardson, Collins and to a lesser extent are all very movable contracts.

PATFO shouldn't be signing any FA to longer than 1 year. It's summer of '23 that they'll have the large cap room to fill any gaps after evaluating our FRPs from this draft.

[KingKev]

PATFO shouldn't be signing any FA to longer than 1 year. It's summer of '23 that they'll have the large cap room to fill any gaps after evaluating our FRPs from this draft.

Depending on if we move Jak Mo Bamba is on of few realistic FA targets I’d target for a long term deal this offseason.

[KingKev]

There's a lot to back-fill on the roster, plus Primo and Vassell getting new deals, but yeah, should be enough to pay a decent PF if we address C in the draft (get Chet), or best free agent available if we address our PF needs in the draft.

Not even Keldon’s extension will impact 23-24 cap. Vassell’s extension (if given) won’t have cap impact till 25-26 season, Primo’s the following year. Keldon’s

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Depending on if we move Jak Mo Bamba is on of few realistic FA targets I’d target for a long term deal this offseason.

No offense but, nah. I've been amongst the hardest on Jak on this board but Mo Bamba cant fill Jak's modest number of back and arm zits. I'd much rather pay Jak more, than try to replace him with the likes of Mo freaking Bamba.

[XDT76]

This. You can only go over the cap to re-sign your own players, not to sign FAs. This is why Lonnie has to GO, and KBD, Tre, and Jock should not be too comfortable. When Satoransky rolls off, we will only have two roster spots, and we have four picks, plus any FAs we may have our eyes on.

Not exactly true, the teams can sign FA to MLE if they are over cap.