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    The deeper I look into Keon Johnson the more I'm starting to warm up to him. His interviews make him sound like a Spur type. His shot doesn't look broken, and he has some good touch off the dribble in the mid-range. His floor may not be all that low as he is arguably the best athlete in the draft and should automatically be a really good defender who brings energy. He is great at running the court and would fit in with our young core. His shot and handle are his biggest questionable area, but if he can develop those he has as much upside as we may find in that area of the draft. Could also be Lonnie insurance, if Lonnie doesnt improve his finishing around the rim and become more engaged. Keon would provide all the athleticism with a big improvement on defense and is an underrated passer.

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    theyve worked out Kispert or were you referring to someone else
    Did they? I thought it was just an interview with the Spurs.

    Do you have a link by any chance?

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    Did they? I thought it was just an interview with the Spurs.

    Do you have a link by any chance?
    odd. I looked it up. Found nothing. Must have been thinking it was someone else.

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    I think you said your reservations before about him projecting to be a lesser version of Kyle Anderson because of his poor defense and lack of size?

    i think fans of his, or at least myself, are betting on is his vision to be outstanding and on par with the elite players of the NBA. Kyle, while good, never quite reached that level with his passing.

    the underrated side of Giddey is his extreme confidence in his abilities. Common flaw among prospects is that theyíre so unsure of themselves when they first get on the court. I dont think Giddey will have that problem. Itís even a problem for older young guys and probably the greatest obstacle for them reaching their potential.

    another thing is ball handling. I believe his skills in that area is quite advanced. Yes, he does turn the ball over. But I donít necessarily think ball handling and ball security are the same thing. I think we can look at DJ for that and he had a natural ability to handle the ball but he was not very good taking care of the ball. If we look at this past season, itís like night and day. He had one of the best ast/to ratio in the league. Anyway, whatís important is that Giddey is very similar in this regard and might actually be a bit more of a street baller compared to DJ. At 6í8Ē and with that kind of ball handling ability, it will enable him to be a shot creator at some point in his career. Thatís what excites me most about his upside.
    I mean you can just go back and read what I wrote, some of your paraphrasing me is just wrong.

    I questioned the comparisons to Anderson, which btw not mine, some websites have that comparison (maybe a lazy one one their part.) I donít think heís Anderson. Anderson is likely to be much better at defense every day every game just by his standing reach and length (heís also heavier, Giddey plays a lot smaller than he is, light). They donít have the same physical profiles, so maybe itís a lazy comparison.

    Whatís significant is that Anderson had to adapt to play off the ball and as a wing/PF. Does anyone expect Giddey to play like that? Then why the comparison? I didnít even go that deep into my analysis but I rightly questioned what value if any heíd have off the ball (shooting needs to be better), and whether he could play as a swing.

    He was also compared in some websites to Joe Ingles. Another tall wing/PF. First he doesnít shoot like Ingles, (that can be improved but letís acknowledge Ingles is in another stratosphere as a shooter). Giddey is much lighter as well and Ingles, like Anderson also swings to SF/PF depending on roster and availability.

    if you have Giddey as a tall swing then obviously things like physicality and defense come into play.

    Is Giddey going to get the keys to the offense? Does he have value off the ball? Can he defend wings? Legit normal questions that I donít see answered anywhere.

    Another comparison I saw, Evan Turner. Ughhhh

    I think all these comparisons are lazy bc right there youíd have to assume that Giddey will need to play as a swing, off the ball at least some of the time.

    He doesnít have comparisons for other PG played as such. Thatís my first thing I noticed. Who would you say heís most like?

    One PG just occurred to me now, maybe heís like Lamelo Ball. I didnít see that comparison anywhere and havenít watched enough of either guy to give it, but maybe? Thatís great but I wonder why it isnít out there.

    The one comparison to a less athletic PG, that made me nervous about him was a worse shooting and scoring DAngelo Russell, both guys with similar wingspan (Giddey actually has a shorter wingspan!). DLo is smaller but still tall enough to be a big PG. Anyways that comparison scared me less bc a worse shooting and scoring Russell would be awful.

    I raised a few other issues as well like how passing without gravity is less useful in the nba and how passing without any other contributions of value is overrated (passing alone canít get you on the court for example, specially as a wing).

    I feel he has high bust potential. However, my outlook on him improved significantly when I saw heís about the youngest guy out in this draft. I didnít know that b4. I think heís so young heís going to be better than currently obviously and I think he has good chanced for his shooting to improve. I also think his lack of athleticism is overstated. Heís average and I think heíll be able to adapt his game to the league. I also believe he will improve physically with time and effort (plus normal maturing). All these are things I changed my mind on factoring his youth and I do like his moxie a lot, plus his at ude. Heís seen things like a challenge including not getting upset when he didnít make the 12 man selection for the Australian NT.

    I am higher on him than I was, though as you can see, I do believe heís got questions to answer at the next level. I believe if the Spurs draft him they believe in his work ethic, and Iíll be really excited about him!
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    Yíall think it would be worth taking on either Steven Adamís or Eric Bledsoe if they gave us there 10th pick too?
    I hate both of those players. Theyíre relics of a bygone era.

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    SAGirl I said “ I think “ and ended with a question mark

    as for comparisons, there truly are none.

    i have also said he is the most riskiest of all my top prospects, that’s why I never put him at the top top.

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    Seems like Kuminga is very polarizing. I just don't see it at all. Terrible FG%, poor 3pt%, poor FT%, below average decision maker, mediocre assist to turnover ratio, horrible advanced stats, worst Win Shares on his entire G League team... It just feels like every scouting report comes down to his "NBA body" and the hope that he can "put it all together." I just see so many red flags. I wouldn't even take him at #12.

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    Seems like Kuminga is very polarizing. I just don't see it at all. Terrible FG%, poor 3pt%, poor FT%, below average decision maker, mediocre assist to turnover ratio, horrible advanced stats, worst Win Shares on his entire G League team... It just feels like every scouting report comes down to his "NBA body" and the hope that he can "put it all together." I just see so many red flags. I wouldn't even take him at #12.
    Same. I think he got caught up in the Jalen Green/Ignite hype. I've said many times I don't believe in the G-League in these cases. They don't get the coaching -- both on and off the floor -- don't get the development, don't get any of what they would in college. None of their games matter and they never play cohesive opposition or on cohesive squads. It's glorified AAU and so who gives a ?

    Kuminga, whether or not he's older than we know, got a lot done by bullying his way to the hoop with a strong body. IIRC, this is what Jabari Parker made his name doing when he was drafted high. Fine against marginal peers, it's not gonna work in the actual pros. And, as you say, his numbers ing sucked. He's all hype.

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    Kuminga might even drop to 12.

    Lots of talk about how he had zero improvement from high school to g-league or even getting worse. Add in the whispers about his age and who knows?

    Halliburton fell unexpectedly, so have many others. All it takes is a couple of teams going another way and then the next few teams pass because they're already in love with the prospects they were expecting.
    There are serious questions about his age. Heís a very good prospect at 18, but pretty mediocre at 20. At 20, he should be a LOT more developed already.

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    I could see Kuminga drop a bit, but would be very surprised to see him go out of the top 10. A team like Orlando should take him.

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    I could see Kuminga drop a bit, but would be very surprised to see him go out of the top 10. A team like Orlando should take him.
    Kuminga has Orlando written all over him.

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    -/+ 1” wingspans who aren’t bad defenders

    Jimmy Butler 6’7” WS
    Kyle Lowry 6’1” WS
    Klay Thompson 6’7-1/2” WS

    A study on wingspan:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/fanside...n-defense/amp/

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    Kuminga has Orlando written all over him.
    i think Sengun has Orlando written all over him. Dude was having the time of his life in Florida on IG

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    Giddey does have that feel of a Spurs pick with one week to go.
    Yeah, it's my feeling, too! He said that he idolized Andrew Gaze as a kid; he stays in contact with him, and since we have Fifty Mills on the team, and both play together on the Aussie National Team, this all sounds like it's written in the stars for him to be drafted by the Spurs. Hmmm, it's a possibility, but I have a feeling though, that he may be gone before the 12th pick. Any who, just 7 days before the draft! GSG!!!

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    SAGirl I said “ I think “ and ended with a question mark

    as for comparisons, there truly are none.

    i have also said he is the most riskiest of all my top prospects, that’s why I never put him at the top top.
    Fair enough.

    if he pans out he’s going to be the first of his kind :-)

    A little of his physical makeup reminded me of Manu, but just probably on being tall and lanky. I think Manu was a lot more athletic and obviously better shooter, finisher scorer etc, so I didn’t mention it.

    I think no one says Lonzo bc Lonzo exerts effort on defense.

    Isn’t it su ious he stopped workouts, didn’t attend the combine etc? Maybe he has an offer already and wanted to focus on the Australian National Team, but also he was unlikely to help his stock by such showing (only hurt it)?

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    ^He’s got a strong sense of nationalism that it’s not a stretch to believe he was putting country over self (in this case, his own draft stock)

    On an unrelated note,

    the Rockets will pick Jalen Green, IMO

    Their actions throughout the year show a greedy and incompetent owner

    Jalen Green will sell lots of tickets for the Rockets. Evan…not so much even if he is a no brainer better talent

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    ^He’s got a strong sense of nationalism that it’s not a stretch to believe he was putting country over self (in this case, his own draft stock)

    On an unrelated note,

    the Rockets will pick Jalen Green, IMO

    Their actions throughout the year show a greedy and incompetent owner

    Jalen Green will sell lots of tickets for the Rockets. Evan…not so much even if he is a no brainer better talent
    Perfect analysis on the Rockets situation

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    I wouldn't draft Kuminga.
    Like I said, I'm a skeptic. It's more about the general idea than him specifically.

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    Franz training with Harrison Barnes

    If there was a 1% chance he dropped, itís now a 0%

    Iím sorry to kill your hopes mo7888

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    6 Days until the Draft!

    So many rumors, so little time...

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    All this talk of Sengun is making me wonder if we’ve given up on Milutinov.
    probably more of a case of the inverse.

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    Franz training with Harrison Barnes

    If there was a 1% chance he dropped, it’s now a 0%

    I’m sorry to kill your hopes mo7888
    True dat... I don't think he gets past sacto either but, I wouldn't be surprised to see Orlando snatch him up before them either. I guess if I really wanna dig deep for a bright side view, my guy Robert Woodard might be available in a deal lol

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    True dat... I don't think he gets past sacto either but, I wouldn't be surprised to see Orlando snatch him up before them either. I guess if I really wanna dig deep for a bright side view, my guy Robert Woodard might be available in a deal lol
    really odd that he doesn’t seem to be part of their future because I watched all gleague games with in it and he’s a solid piece. Unless they plan to play Wagner mostly at 4

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    True dat... I don't think he gets past sacto either but, I wouldn't be surprised to see Orlando snatch him up before them either. I guess if I really wanna dig deep for a bright side view, my guy Robert Woodard might be available in a deal lol

    Admittedly, I’ve gone into the camp that these released photos can easily be part of the FO misdirection and trying to get teams to want to trade up. But maybe not? The draft always has some surprises so we’ll see, I guess.

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