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    I have him for three more years.
    Scratch that, I guess two more years. I don't see why NOP would dump him then.

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    Scratch that, I guess two more years. I don't see why NOP would dump him then.
    Because they are desperate to make Zion happy now...they don't think they can afford to wait

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    Because they are desperate to make Zion happy now...they don't think they can afford to wait
    So coughing up their lottery pick is what appeals to him?

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    So coughing up their lottery pick is what appeals to him?
    If it lands them Kyle Lowry or someone else that could help them win now in free agency, but it is a big gamble because what free agent wants to go to Nola lol

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    So coughing up their lottery pick is what appeals to him?
    He doesn't care about the lottery pick...he want them to add veterans (hence why they covet Lowry) and using the lottery pick to create cap space to do that appeals to him.

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    Because they are desperate to make Zion happy now...they don't think they can afford to wait
    They'll never make Zion happy. He will leave. But at least they will remain desperate.

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    They'll never make Zion happy. He will leave. But at least they will remain desperate.
    Lol... I absolutely agree with that.... if it were 'me' I'd trade Zion and keep my pick..

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    He doesn't care about the lottery pick...he want them to add veterans (hence why they covet Lowry) and using the lottery pick to create cap space to do that appeals to him.
    They're not getting Kyle Lowry. So you're saying losing a high draft pick in a good draft to get rid of a veteran is what appeals to him?

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    They're not getting Kyle Lowry. So you're saying losing a high draft pick in a good draft to get rid of a veteran is what appeals to him?
    It does...

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    Must be cool knowing what Zion Williams wants. I suppose he specifically said he wants to trade Bledsoe to the Spurs.

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    Must be cool knowing what Zion Williams wants. I suppose he specifically said he wants to trade Bledsoe to the Spurs.
    I have to admit...it really is awesome.... I hope you get to experience it someday...

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    Must be cool knowing what Zion Williams wants. I suppose he specifically said he wants to trade Bledsoe to the Spurs.
    He wants the Pelicans to be in win-now mode, according to reports. That doesn't mean moving 10 by itself, but getting cap space probably has value. I've seen deals like Murray for 10 amd Bledsoe though and I'd think that'd be something they'd rather do than just cap space.

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    I haven’t considered the possibility of trades even though we know there are teams interested bc it complicates projections a lot once a team is picking for a different one.

    I just saw that some teams may want to trade into the back of the lottery therefore opening the possibility of pick swaps. Wanting to trade into the top 4 is obvious, but I don’t think the teams picking there would trade out without a star being on the table.

    But the back of the lottery has a lot of rumors. I do see a few pick swaps possibly with players attached.

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    I doubt N.O. would move 10 just to dump guaranteed $22 million. They could stretch waive over 5 seasons.

    Boston gave up 16 to get off like $30 million from kemba to horford on top of saving money in the 20/21 calendar year.

    Unless Zion is super tight with Lonnie then I don't see it. I wouldn't want Murray given up for 10

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    The comments I saw arenít of that nature.

    They are more from teams that have guys coming up for extensions they donít want to pay and theyíd rather get an asset if a guy they like is on the table. More like the Spurs trading Hill for 15 back in the day but if you were to add a pick swap. Like a Grayson Allen and 17 for a low lotto pick just bc you donít think youíll reup Grayson Allen and heís a proven shooter that might interest somebody who wants to trade down. I mean I donít know if any of these happens, but I saw it suggested and hadnít considered it. I thought Iíd mention it. Grizzlies have made moves every summer and like to trade. They might want to get a specific guy in the back of the lottery for example.

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    For the Spurs, I donít think they move Murray for 10 even. I think the offers were there to move into the top 4 to get a stud and thatís unlikely to happen.

    The Spurs are likely to get someone from a list of players they like anyways at 12.
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    I doubt N.O. would move 10 just to dump guaranteed $22 million. They could stretch waive over 5 seasons.

    Boston gave up 16 to get off like $30 million from kemba to horford on top of saving money in the 20/21 calendar year.

    Unless Zion is super tight with Lonnie then I don't see it. I wouldn't want Murray given up for 10
    Yeah. The Spurs could throw in Walker IV to balance it out.

    Again, I'll believe them taking advantage of a Kings, Pelicans, etc. and attaining draft capital when I see it though.

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    The comments I saw aren’t of that nature.

    They are more from teams that have guys coming up for extensions they don’t want to pay and they’d rather get an asset if a guy they like is on the table. More like the Spurs trading Hill for 15 back in the day but if you were to add a pick swap. Like a Grayson Allen and 17 for a low lotto pick just bc you don’t think you’ll reup Grayson Allen and he’s a proven shooter that might interest somebody who wants to trade down. I mean I don’t know if any of these happens, but I saw it suggested and hadn’t considered it. I thought I’d mention it. Grizzlies have made moves every summer and like to trade. They might want to get a specific guy in the back of the lottery for example.

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    For the Spurs, I don’t think they move Murray for 10 even. I think the offers were there to move into the top 4 to get a stud and that’s unlikely to happen.

    The Spurs are likely to get someone from a list of players they like anyways at 12.
    Couldn't you just imagine what it would be like to bag Grayson?

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    Random question, but several years back, Toronto had a pick (I canít remember if it was in the teens or the 20ís), but whoever they drafted then was widely considered by people to be a big reach. Does anyone remember that and who the pick was?

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    Random question, but several years back, Toronto had a pick (I can’t remember if it was in the teens or the 20’s), but whoever they drafted then was widely considered by people to be a big reach. Does anyone remember that and who the pick was?
    Bruno Caboclo?

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    Random question, but several years back, Toronto had a pick (I can’t remember if it was in the teens or the 20’s), but whoever they drafted then was widely considered by people to be a big reach. Does anyone remember that and who the pick was?
    Bruno Caboclo, 2014. Most people had him as a late second round pick and was selected 20th.

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    Random question, but several years back, Toronto had a pick (I can’t remember if it was in the teens or the 20’s), but whoever they drafted then was widely considered by people to be a big reach. Does anyone remember that and who the pick was?
    There are two distinct times you could be referring to, actually. In 2014, the Raptors took Bruno Cabocalo at 20. They'd promised to pick in him the second round but got spooked he'd get snatched up before that so took him early. Two years later, they took Pascal Siakam at 27, which puzzled a lot of folks who'd come to believe Ujuri was a risky and bad drafter. One worked, one didn't.

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    I doubt N.O. would move 10 just to dump guaranteed $22 million. They could stretch waive over 5 seasons.

    Boston gave up 16 to get off like $30 million from kemba to horford on top of saving money in the 20/21 calendar year.

    Unless Zion is super tight with Lonnie then I don't see it. I wouldn't want Murray given up for 10
    I don't see the rationale in not accepting a Murray for Bledsoe and 10 swap if you are willing to deal DJM at all. It's basically salary neutral, so it doesn't prevent a Collins signing or any other use of cap space. Bledsoe can back up White for a year. With both of their injury histories, it might make sense to bring in a bigger PG who might be able to fill in SG minutes if those become available, or the team might see a PG at 10 or 12 they'd want to develop. Or if the team decides to bring DeRozan back and stay over the cap, they'll have the ball-handling the team needs to survive with PGs with shaky health. Obviously, if the Spurs don't like multiple players in the 10-12 range, that diminishes the value of a pick. But considering how much value they were able to add to their 29th pick from 2016, maybe in a couple of years time, they'll have something even more valuable from the 10th pick in 2021.

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    I don't see the rationale in not accepting a Murray for Bledsoe and 10 swap if you are willing to deal DJM at all. It's basically salary neutral, so it doesn't prevent a Collins signing or any other use of cap space. Bledsoe can back up White for a year. With both of their injury histories, it might make sense to bring in a bigger PG who might be able to fill in SG minutes if those become available, or the team might see a PG at 10 or 12 they'd want to develop. Or if the team decides to bring DeRozan back and stay over the cap, they'll have the ball-handling the team needs to survive with PGs with shaky health. Obviously, if the Spurs don't like multiple players in the 10-12 range, that diminishes the value of a pick. But considering how much value they were able to add to their 29th pick from 2016, maybe in a couple of years time, they'll have something even more valuable from the 10th pick in 2021.
    I don't think the #10 pick is better than Murray, especially considering that the salary is a wash and Bledsoe is trash. I wouldn't count on Bledsoe to back up anyone, his career is shattered and he's done.

    Maybe if it was Murray into capspace or an exception for 10 I could get on board, but Bledsoe is such negative salary that the Spurs would be doing them a favor.

    And there's probably going to be someone i like at 10, and a good chance no one I like left at 12. But I just don't see the juice as worth the squeeze. Maybe if they threw in some good seconds and one of their many future firsts. Because as it is they'd be turning their #10 into a ready to go starter while getting off the tirefire of Bledsoe. Too good a deal for them.

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    I don't think the #10 pick is better than Murray,
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