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    I circled where Scottie's man is and how Scottie allowed them to be so wide open.

    It wasn't very hard finding these. He does this frequently.

    This is already a huge problem on the current Spurs.

    Again, Scottie does a good job APPEARING like a good defender, but in reality, he watches the ball a lot and is out of position frequently.

    Do you want the Spurs to keep getting bombarded by open 3's?
    So you talk about one aspect of his D, he could not evolve ? and what about the man on man D ? the switchability ?

    And again i don't understand what is APPEARING a good defender, you good or not, you have the tools/ the motor or not ?

    Not saying you're not right but the conclusion is too simple IMO.

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    Second round sleeper? Julian Champagnie led the Big East in scoring, was named to the All Big East First Team (along with James Bouknight and Jeremiah Robinson-Earl), and won Most Improved Player of the conference. He's a young sop re, still 19, meaning he's younger than some freshmen prospects. The one characteristic that caught my eye was his penchant for taking & making contested threes. He shot 38% on the year taking these, so what might he shoot in the NBA as a specialist who gets lots of open looks?


    https://nypost.com/2021/02/15/st-joh...eakout-season/
    https://www.wyexpect.com/stories/2021-nba-draft-sleepers-st-johns-julian-champagnie-is-hiding-in-plain-sight
    https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...mpagnie-1.html

    Great find! In my opinion, in this draft we really need shooting and passing, and this guy looks to be an incredible shooter, without the horrible defense. Nice.

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    I drilled through to another article on Senior PGs and the markers for a good get They listed every PG drafted in the last ten years who played at least 10 NCAA games, and have a PER of at least 15. They came up with 7 value seniors, who were probably drafted too low. White and Brogdon were there, as you might imagine. Anyway, he came up with a list of commonalities. I had been thinking about Duarte. I know he’s not a PG, but I ran him through the matrix, and as a SG, he hit every marker but one: asst/TO ratio, which wouldn’t be as important to a SG. I think he’s going to come in and produce from day 1 for somebody. He’ll probably go late first, but if he drops, you’ve got to take him in the 2nd round. He’s an NBA player, right now.

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    I drilled through to another article on Senior PGs and the markers for a good get They listed every PG drafted in the last ten years who played at least 10 NCAA games, and have a PER of at least 15. They came up with 7 value seniors, who were probably drafted too low. White and Brogdon were there, as you might imagine. Anyway, he came up with a list of commonalities. I had been thinking about Duarte. I know heís not a PG, but I ran him through the matrix, and as a SG, he hit every marker but one: asst/TO ratio, which wouldnít be as important to a SG. I think heís going to come in and produce from day 1 for somebody. Heíll probably go late first, but if he drops, youíve got to take him in the 2nd round. Heís an NBA player, right now.
    Iíd be ok with Duarte in the first round. Especially as a backup plan.
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    I’d be more ok with Duarte in the first round. Especially as a backup plan.
    At 11-14? That’s probably a reach. A big one.

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    Here's to wishing that our 0.5% to 2% chance of moving up to a top 4 pick pans out....

    Burning those mexican candles until the lottery....

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    Yeah Duarte is a huge reach where will be picking - I still think when we pick we might have a good chance for Moody, Wagner, and Giddey, and definitely Sengun and Bouknight.

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    If you know you aren't extending Lonnie, would you trade him for a chance at Duarte?

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    You saying ďYou don't have to be all that intelligent to pick no brainer superstars and stars though. It's not about evidenceĒ

    Says all we need to know about your analysis.

    So you got a plan that takes little to no intelligence to pull off yet you canít cite any examples of this working. If you canít reference anything to support your argument maybe itís time to realize that youíre the one whoís wrong.
    Way to take what I said out of context.

    You not realizing that this young core lacks elite or high end talent and that by far the most likely way to get that is to pick high for a while, says all we need to know about your analysis.

    Again, you want examples of elite or high end talent leading to championships or at least contention, but there are no guarantees other than they at least give you a conceivable path to it. I'll take that over the current dead end.


    If you know you aren't extending Lonnie, would you trade him for a chance at Duarte?
    I'd probably prefer Butler or Mann, but I get the gist and agree. It's hard to nail down Walker IV's value (top 20ish pick?) though.

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    If you know you aren't extending Lonnie, would you trade him for a chance at Duarte?
    You mean grab an extra pick? Because even if we miss the lottery, Duarte is almost certain to be there.

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    I don’t see Duarte being picked before 17 and I don’t see us having a pick worse then 13

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    Zion out for the season. So much for potentially passing the Pelicans in the draft lottery.



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    Aww well forget New Orleans catching us as they sitting out Zion for the season due to broke finger - Given them A on tanking they definitely don’t want to draft after us. Well plaid well plaid.

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    Aww well forget New Orleans catching us as they sitting out Zion for the season due to broke finger - Given them A on tanking they definitely don’t want to draft after us. Well plaid well plaid.
    Yeah, he broke his finger on purpose.

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    At 11-14? Thatís probably a reach. A big one.
    After the top 5-7 it seems like there are a lot of gamble vs reach scenarios. I'd prefer to have Giddey, Moses Moody, Bouknight, maybe Jared Springer. But yeah, it would be a reach as far as what is discussed now. But isn't this all a lot of speculation and consensus building? Upside is always prioritized. But is that always worth it? Players are so young and immature that I donít see a 23 year old as being too old.

    I suppose I'm prioritizing skills for this draft: passing and shooting. Duarte seems like a really, really good shooter. It feels like the Desmond Bane situation. I get that we have to gamble on upside, but I think this team REALLY needs shooters and maybe I don't want to gamble on a Kai Jones? I'm debating it.
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    After the top 5-7 it seems like there are a lot of gamble vs reach scenarios. I'd prefer to have Giddey, Moses Moody, Bouknight, maybe Jared Springer. But yeah, it would be a reach as far as what is discussed now. But isn't this all a lot of speculation and consensus building? Upside is always prioritized. But is that always worth it? Players are so young and immature that I don’t see a 23 year old as being too old.

    I suppose I'm prioritizing skills for this draft: passing and shooting. Duarte seems like a really, really good shooter. It feels like the Desmond Bane situation. I get that we have to gamble on upside, but I think this team REALLY needs shooters and maybe I don't want to gamble on a Kai Jones? I'm debating it.
    I like Duarte, but would never pick him in the lottery. He’ll be 24 on draft day, btw. If Duarte is your guy, you don’t reach. You either trade back, picking up extra assets, or flip a youngster for a later pick in the 20ish area. Houston has 3 picks, and two of them are currently at 21, and 24.

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    Here's to wishing that our 0.5% to 2% chance of moving up to a top 4 pick pans out....

    Burning those mexican candles until the lottery....

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    I like Duarte, but would never pick him in the lottery. Heíll be 24 on draft day, btw. If Duarte is your guy, you donít reach. You either trade back, picking up extra assets, or flip a youngster for a later pick in the 20ish area. Houston has 3 picks, and two of them are currently at 21, and 24.
    Yeah, thatís good strategy. Makes sense given the prevailing strategies. On a tangent, I still feel there is a legitimate conversation to have about floor vs ceiling et cetera. The NBA is a copycat league. Lots of group think. But I digress...
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    You mean grab an extra pick? Because even if we miss the lottery, Duarte is almost certain to be there.
    Yeah, get an extra pick. The Rockets and Knicks have 2 picks apiece between 21 - 25.

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    8 Days until we know our Final Record (for Lottery purposes)

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    Looked into Bouknight, mocked at 20+ now. Same problems with Lonnie, when you can't run pick and rolls you are basically a wing. And his projection as an off-ball guard is more questionably than Lonnie's.

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    I'm trying to understand how the draft order works if the Spurs beat the play-in...

    If by season's end the Spurs are sitting with the 11th pick and are the 10th seed, if they beat the play-in they fall to 15th?

    If they're the 12th, they fall to 16th?

    13th to 17th?

    Seems like 11th pick would be the best scenario... Either get good playoff experience for the young guys if they beat the play-in OR get a nice pick at 11th if they lose.

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    I'm trying to understand how the draft order works if the Spurs beat the play-in...

    If by season's end the Spurs are sitting with the 11th pick and are the 10th seed, if they beat the play-in they fall to 15th?

    If they're the 12th, they fall to 16th?

    13th to 17th?

    Seems like 11th pick would be the best scenario... Either get good playoff experience for the young guys if they beat the play-in OR get a nice pick at 11th if they lose.
    The playoff teams are put in reverse record order starting with pick 15. So if the Spurs make the playoffs, it'll depend on what other teams make the playoffs. It's pretty safe to say, though, that it will be 15 or 16.

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    I'm trying to understand how the draft order works if the Spurs beat the play-in...

    If by season's end the Spurs are sitting with the 11th pick and are the 10th seed, if they beat the play-in they fall to 15th?

    If they're the 12th, they fall to 16th?

    13th to 17th?

    Seems like 11th pick would be the best scenario... Either get good playoff experience for the young guys if they beat the play-in OR get a nice pick at 11th if they lose.
    After the play in they would rank all lottery teams by winning percentage then that is the order for the lottery, playoffs teams the same thing.

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