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    That's over-complicating things. The best player when we pick may be marginally better that Murray or much better than say Keldon (using as an example)...but he's still the Best Player Available...that should be our target no matter what because we aren't good enough to choose a lesser talent because the gap between he and KJ is greater than the disparity between a superior player and DJ. Just pick pick the best player and figure the rest out later.
    BPA takes on a different definition when youíre drafting at #12 unless a top projected pick falls into your lap. There are no guys expected at #12 who is really set apart from the others. Especially no point guards.

    Itís very even at that point. And Iím saying that with a huge favoritism for Wagner, Moody, Giddey.

    If we were picking at #6, your comment would be more applicable since thereís a chance a true BPA falls.

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    i agree; i look at kai in the 1st round or even jericho sims in the 2nd and I see them doing things that Poeltl already does better. even if jones has more upside, how long does he take to develop?
    Drew Eubanks is already far better than Kai Jones.

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    An example would be:

    Having a #12 pick is like having $20k in hand to use on a new car or SUV, while already having a 2016 Camry and a 2016 RAV4. The vehicles available are a 2017 Camry and a 2017 RAV4. Your wife constantly complains about your 2016 RAV4. If you go for the 2017 RAV4, not only do you have a newer car but your wife is also satisfied.

    On the other hand, having the #6 pick is like having $40k in hand and your options are a 2020 Camry and a 2020 RAV4. But wait, a 2021 Mercedes SUV has a special discount that became available to you for $40k. You donít get that opportunity with only $20k in hand.

    There are no 2021 Mercedes SUVís coming down with a discount to $20k when youíre picking at #12.
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    That explanation would have been more entertaining if it replaced cars with drugs or strippers.

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    An example would be:

    Having a #12 pick is like having $20k in hand to use on a new car or SUV, while already having a 2016 Camry and a 2016 RAV4. The vehicles available are a 2017 Camry and a 2017 RAV4. Your wife constantly complains about your 2016 RAV4. If you go for the 2017 RAV4, not only do you have a newer car but your wife is also satisfied.

    On the other hand, having the #6 pick is like having $40k in hand and your options are a 2020 Camry and a 2020 RAV4. But wait, a 2021 Mercedes SUV has a special discount that became available to you for $40k. You donít get that opportunity with only $20k in hand.

    There are no 2021 Mercedes SUVís coming down with a discount to $20k when youíre picking at #12.
    None to sure I believe that idea. The history does not support it. In the last 10 or so years, the names Kwitter (15), Giannis (15) and Jokic (41) come to mind. (Not to mention Mithc and Booker at 13, Bam at 14, Gobert at 27 and Butler at 30). There is no guarantee a first option level player will be available, but there is definitely a chance.

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    None to sure I believe that idea. The history does not support it. In the last 10 or so years, the names Kwitter (15), Giannis (15) and Jokic (41) come to mind. (Not to mention Mithc and Booker at 13, Bam at 14, Gobert at 27 and Butler at 30). There is no guarantee a first option level player will be available, but there is definitely a chance.
    If you also look, there have been little to no star caliber point guards drafted past the #10 pick. In my earlier post, I said the talent level of the available wings at #12 usually surpasses the talent level of the available guards. From your list, there are no point guards listed. The guys in your list are the 2017 RAV4ís in my analogyó the vehicle you wisely spent your money on while also making your wife happy.

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    If you also look, there have been little to no star caliber point guards drafted past the #10 pick. In my earlier post, I said the talent level of the available wings at #12 usually surpasses the talent level of the available guards. From your list, there are no point guards listed. The guys in your list are the 2017 RAV4’s in my analogy— the vehicle you wisely spent your money on while also making your wife happy.
    You're seriously arguing that picks that became actual league MVP's are used RAV4's, not 2021 Mercedes's... Don't know what to say here.

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    You're seriously arguing that picks that became actual league MVP's are used RAV4's, not 2021 Mercedes's... Don't know what to say here.
    I donít know what to say either. These are arbitrary cars that I chose. No one is literally getting the car. The point is, with the right decision, you can make your wife happy which is added value (which can lead to her cooking you breakfast or sexy time) than if you had chosen the other option.

    Breakfast = High end role player
    Sexy time = all-star
    other option = marginally better player

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    I don’t know what to say either. These are arbitrary cars that I chose. No one is literally getting the car. The point is, with the right decision, you can make your wife happy which is added value (which can lead to her cooking you breakfast or sexy time) than if you had chosen the other option.

    Breakfast = High end role player
    Sexy time = all-star
    other option = marginally better player


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    Im definitely warming up to giddey. Sure that shooting touch needs work,but having a naturally tall&gifted playmaker opposite white couldn't hurt

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    Im definitely warming up to giddey. Sure that shooting touch needs work,but having a naturally tall&gifted playmaker opposite white couldn't hurt
    Seen a couple mocks that have him going to New Orleans at 10. Would actually like that as it would push someone down to us, potentially Bouknight who is one of my pet cats.

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    Giddey’s weird hitch in his shot combined with the fact that he’s going to be a significant defensive liability (dude is going to get destroyed in the PnR imo) is why I’m not high on him. Hopefully another team reaches on him before we’re on the clock.

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    Seen a couple mocks that have him going to New Orleans at 10. Would actually like that as it would push someone down to us, potentially Bouknight who is one of my pet cats.
    That would be an incredibly stupid, yet unsurprising move by New Orleans. They have no concept of roster building. You would hope theyíve learned by now to surround Zion with shooters.

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    Giddeyís weird hitch in his shot combined with the fact that heís going to be a significant defensive liability (dude is going to get destroyed in the PnR imo) is why Iím not high on him. Hopefully another team reaches on him before weíre on the clock.

    An aggressive scorer wouldnt hurt for sure

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    https://www.nbabigboard.com/p/podcas...-draft-combine

    Chad Ford Pod. w/ Jeremy Woo from SI.com


    Discussed players who rose through scrimmages, testing etc.

    Last 15 mins though, they talked about players who really helped themselves with combine interviews.

    Names mentioned who did well in interviews:

    Quentin Grimes, Trey Murphy, Scottie Barnes, Isaiah Todd (humility and realistic expectations cited), David Duke

    Both agreed that Jalen Johnson had to excel in interviews as there are still a few questions there.
    Unfortunately, while he didn't appear to do anything to damage his stock; he didn't help it enough. Teams were still left a little wondering.
    Playing cards close to his vest - can be frustrating for GMs.

    I'd say the Spurs chances of drafting JJ are unlikely.


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    You're seriously arguing that picks that became actual league MVP's are used RAV4's, not 2021 Mercedes's... Don't know what to say here.
    No one knew that at the time. He’s talking real market value. Today. No one knows who might be a sleeper all star 5 years from now.

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    If your drafting Giddey then your expecting him to be the main ball handler since that what he does best I donít know how the will work with Murray and White. Also I think he would work best with players who like to shoot the 3 ball or a rim runner big which we donít have

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    BPA takes on a different definition when you’re drafting at #12 unless a top projected pick falls into your lap. There are no guys expected at #12 who is really set apart from the others. Especially no point guards.

    It’s very even at that point. And I’m saying that with a huge favoritism for Wagner, Moody, Giddey.

    If we were picking at #6, your comment would be more applicable since there’s a chance a true BPA falls.
    BPA is determined by the our FO. We aren't privy to it and I'm not speaking of general consensus, I'm strictly speaking of the FO view of who's BPA, not our opinions of BPA.

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    BPA is determined by the our FO. We aren't privy to it and I'm not speaking of general consensus, I'm strictly speaking of the FO view of who's BPA, not our opinions of BPA.
    Fair enough. Iíll just say that it is extremely unlikely that the Spursí elite scouting can defy whatís been historically consistent, and that is why I think theyíll take the direction I expect them to. Could be wrong, but we have 30 days to find out.

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    Ignoring the number of star caliber PG's drafted in the #10-#20 range (or lack thereof),

    Teams generally avoid drafting PG's in that range.

    Data set:



    Counted each position:



    Pie graph:



    The question we ask is, why do teams avoid drafting point guards and centers in that range?

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    Ignoring the number of star caliber PG's drafted in the #10-#20 range (or lack thereof),

    Teams generally avoid drafting PG's in that range.

    Data set:



    Counted each position:



    Pie graph:



    The question we ask is, why do teams avoid drafting point guards and centers in that range?
    I would posit that the answer to that question is there are very few elite PG's and C's in any draft so they go early.

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    I would posit that the answer to that question is there are very few elite PG's and C's in any draft so they go early.

    True, especially if youre going position specific

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    Sengun and Turkey just tipped off.

    Sengun starting at the #4. Looks leaner. Moving well on D so far. Be huge for him if he can guard consistently on the perimeter.

    Early days obviously….

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    I would posit that the answer to that question is there are very few elite PG's and C's in any draft so they go early.
    Yup, which means it would be the wrong move to go after a PG in our range, regardless of if they were "BPA" or not. Best to gamble for a wing, when there has been an abundance of them that have turned into stars. I know you disagree, and that's okay.

    And you stated that elite PG's and C's come from the top. You are correct. Teams choose PG's and C's at the top as a result.

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