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    Serious question. Trump's approval is steadily rising, and his campaign message is sinking in because Biden isn't on the campaign trail at all to provide his own campaign message.

    After hearing 4 years of jokes about Shillary never visiting Wisconsin, Joe Biden hasn't been to Wisconsin in 659 days

    How do you up something as simple as visiting the most pivotal state in an election two times in a row

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    leave it to the Dems

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    leave it to the establishment Dems
    fify

    This "virtual campaign" idea stems from the stupid premise that if Trump's opponent justs runs as an ultra vanilla moderate it'll "win the middle". No matter what your platform is you still need to actual campaign in the swing states you need to win.

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    Maybe he is taking cues from Hillary and Bill?

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    Maybe he is taking cues from Hillary and Bill?
    More likely he has the same groupthink re s running his campaign as the ones who ran Hillary's campaign.

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    Serious question. Trump's approval is steadily rising, and his campaign message is sinking in because Biden isn't on the campaign trail at all to provide his own campaign message.

    After hearing 4 years of jokes about Shillary never visiting Wisconsin, Joe Biden hasn't been to Wisconsin in 659 days

    How do you up something as simple as visiting the most pivotal state in an election two times in a row

    IMO, Trump has been a good puppet and has been chosen for the next four years. I realize most in here disagree, but the idea that we have a good choice out of the two party system is a lost cause. How can democrats not have put out a better candidate? They could have, but a candidate doesn't get to the finals without the media and money. Its a rerun of McCain and Romney. The whole system works beautifully. Look at how much people in here insult each other and lack any respect. This two party paradigm and all the lines they have drawn in the sand has made people bitter enemies. I can't tell you how many times I've been insulted without ever having insulted anyone on this board.

    I just don't get it. Your question is a good one. I asked these same questions many years ago and decided there was something going on that most people just can't see and many who don't care to see.

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    Don’t know which data you’re seeing but recent polling still shows that he’s up in 5 out of 6 (tied in one) battleground states and respondents in all swing state polls give Biden the edge on who would do a better job handling the pandemic.

    unless things vastly improve you won’t see in person rallies by them.

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    IMO, Trump has been a good puppet and has been chosen for the next four years. I realize most in here disagree, but the idea that we have a good choice out of the two party system is a lost cause. How can democrats not have put out a better candidate? They could have, but a candidate doesn't get to the finals without the media and money. Its a rerun of McCain and Romney. The whole system works beautifully. Look at how much people in here insult each other and lack any respect. This two party paradigm and all the lines they have drawn in the sand has made people bitter enemies. I can't tell you how many times I've been insulted without ever having insulted anyone on this board.

    I just don't get it. Your question is a good one. I asked these same questions many years ago and decided there was something going on that most people just can't see and many who don't care to see.
    I agree about the media/money, but even then it doesn't make sense. They could have found an establishment candidate who wasn't a decrepit old man incapable of going out and campaigning.

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    unless things vastly improve you won’t see in person rallies by them.
    Well that's pretty ing stupid. He's effectively campaigning with a hand tied behind his back because he's such a brittle old man.

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    It is remarkable how Biden primary supporters casually explain how "you won't see personal rallies" from the candidate they supported in the primary, while they never stop to think that supporting a candidate who's too old to do campaign rallies might not have been a great idea.

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    A poll just came out that has Trump up 1 in Wisconsin. And that is pre RNC bump.

    Overall, RCP has Hiden-Biden at 3.5 point lead.

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    I agree about the media/money, but even then it doesn't make sense. They could have found an establishment candidate who wasn't a decrepit old man incapable of going out and campaigning.
    I agree, but I am also suggesting that there is no intention to try and win and that Biden is just there to fill the hole, lose the election, and continue with Trump. That is my opinion at least.

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    A poll just came out that has Trump up 1 in Wisconsin. And that is pre RNC bump.

    Overall, RCP has Hiden-Biden at 3.5 point lead.
    More recent poll released today has Biden up 5 points in Wisconsin.

    I'm not sure why the pollsters won't release information on changes they've made (if any) from 2016. Would really like to know if they're weighing rural voters more.

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    It is remarkable how Biden primary supporters casually explain how "you won't see personal rallies" from the candidate they supported in the primary, while they never stop to think that supporting a candidate who's too old to do campaign rallies might not have been a great idea.
    What are you talking about? These are things he’s said multiple times in multiple occasions.

    One candidate believes in science and following what the experts are saying and the other doesn’t. Is as simple as that.

    You know who else wouldn’t be doing rallies? Bernie Sanders, or Beto or any dem candidates.

    This is not an age issue at all.

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    I agree, but I am also suggesting that there is no intention to try and win and that Biden is just there to fill the hole, lose the election, and continue with Trump. That is my opinion at least.
    I don't see it for this reason - if Biden loses this election the Democratic Party goes into full blown civil war, and there's a pretty good chance the progressive wing either wins the war or forces the establishment to make major concessions as to what the party's platform is. The establishment Dems like Pelosi have too much on the line to lose this election.

    Each party has its own set of oligarchs. Generally (with exceptions), early to mid 20th century industrialist oligarchs back Republicans (oil and gas, coal mining, casinos, defense contracting etc.), and the late 20th/21st century oligarchs back Democrats (technology, Wall Street). The 20th century oligarchs were originally against Trump but he's thrown them enough tax breaks, deregulation and corporate welfare where they're fine with him now. If the Sanders/AOC wing takes over the Democratic Party it's bad news for the 21st century oligarchs.

    One of the hidden agenda behind groups like the Lincoln Project backing Biden is because they're scared less about what a progressive insurgency looks like.

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    What are you talking about? These are things he’s said multiple times in multiple occasions.

    One candidate believes in science and following what the experts are saying and the other doesn’t. Is as simple as that.

    You know who else wouldn’t be doing rallies? Bernie Sanders, or Beto or any dem candidates.

    This is not an age issue at all.
    Lets be sure to give Biden the "I maintained moral high ground on following science!" trophy after he loses the midwestern states where Trump has people going door-to-door and he doesn't.

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    A poll just came out that has Trump up 1 in Wisconsin. And that is pre RNC bump.

    Overall, RCP has Hiden-Biden at 3.5 point lead.
    Has Trafalgar ever had a Democrat leading in any of their polls ever? They are a low quality pollster.

    Trafalgar Group adjusts its polls for a "social desirability" effect, the hypothesized tendency of some voters to calibrate their responses to polls towards what they believe the survey taker would like to hear.[2][3][4] It does this by not only asking respondents how they plan to vote but also how they thought their neighbors might vote.
    That is not how polling is done. asking respondents how they and their neighbors will vote is not how polling works.
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    Will is in denial about who Biden is at this point, tbh. Biden's a bunker .
    The race is Trump vs. COVID, just how Dems planned it.

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    A poll just came out that has Trump up 1 in Wisconsin. And that is pre RNC bump.

    Overall, RCP has Hiden-Biden at 3.5 point lead.
    Will be interesting to see polls if the apparent story holds that a 17 year old white kid was running around shooting people with an assault style weapon with police approval. I can see it going either way.

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    Will be interesting to see polls if the apparent story holds that a 17 year old white kid was running around shooting people with an assault style weapon with police approval. I can see it going either way.
    It's a false flag, Blake!

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    It's a false flag, Blake!
    Do you think Ef-man just came online after 14 years and suddenly attached himself to Chump's vagina like they've been besties all along?
    Why are you playing this stupid , will. Just cos they're a running joke doesn't mean you need to get in the muck.

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    Do you think Ef-man just came online after 14 years and suddenly attached himself to Chump's vagina like they've been besties all along?
    Why are you playing this stupid , will. Just cos they're a running joke doesn't mean you need to get in the muck.
    If Ef-man had a join date that postdates Blake's join date I'd see your point. He joined the site ~3 years before Blake did.

    He might be someone's alt, don't see how it's Blake.

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    Lets be sure to give Biden the "I maintained moral high ground on following science!" trophy after he loses the midwestern states where Trump has people going door-to-door and he doesn't.

    Listen, personally I'd like him to be out there doing rallies and myself but what are you going to do? It does come down to the moral high ground. Do you put yourself and thousands of others at risk because you want to do rallies or do you do the right thing?

    I hope things get to a point where you can gather people up to say 200-300 at once in the next few weeks or month.

    If you still need to be convinced on who to vote for after 4 years of destruction and chaos, you cant be helped.

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    If Ef-man had a join date that postdates Blake's join date I'd see your point. He joined the site ~3 years before Blake did.

    He might be someone's alt, don't see how it's Blake.
    Great detective work, Blake!

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    If you are referring to the CNBC poll(+5), it was completed on the same day the Trafalgar group was(-1), 23 Aug.

    So 3.5 Biden leads sounds about right. almost exactly where Killary was in 2016.

    More recent poll released today has Biden up 5 points in Wisconsin.

    I'm not sure why the pollsters won't release information on changes they've made (if any) from 2016. Would really like to know if they're weighing rural voters more.

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