Why the surprise the Chris Mullin made the hall of fame? He was a great player and he was on Dream Team 1. He used to destroy the Spurs. He'd have 30 points in his sleep against us and we had a good defensive team with David Robinson.
I wish the standards were higher, and LA really should NOT be in. But based on standards today he is 50/50.. IMO guys without rings need to have careers like Ewing or Barkley.. But WTF is Chris Mullin doing in the HOF? In 13 seasons in GS he only made the playoffs 5 times.. Scored just 17,000 PTS for his career and was not exactly a defender..
Melo obviously is in based on the numbers.. But I don't think he had a particularly impactful career..
Career stats don't add up to HOF... No great team success..
Speaking of HoF inductions, Bill Land just said Michael Jordan will do the presentation for Kobe when he and Tim are inducted into the HoF next month. Another all-time great Spur HoF induction overshadowed by MJ.
Though I bet Duncan prefers it this way.
Tim will say very little.. He just does NOT give a about the hoopla..
This. I remember when Kobme was doing his retirement tour (or whatever) and an interviewer asked Tim about Kobme. Tim was gracious, gave compliments said you knew you were always in for a 100% effort from Kobme etc. Interviewer kept on and on with questions and was trying to entice Tim to put Kobme on the media pedestal 15 layers higher then Kob's playing actually was. Tim was rightfully perturbed and doesn't need more like that were he asked to be emcee of a Hall Introduction.
Tim just let his playing speak for himself. The media want to constantly put Kobe on a pedestal and overate his career because of his premature death that is up to them.. People that actually know basketball and saw Tim play understand his greatness. And I’m not saying that Kobe Bryant wasn’t an incredibly great basketball player. Of course he was. But obviously the cir stances around his death are going to cause people to overrate him. That’s just how it works.
He has 7 all-star game appearances and 5 all-nba selections. Most guys get in with those type of accolades. I think he will get in when he's eligible since there is nobody for him to compete with in 2025.
'22 Manu will be the headliner
'23 Dirk,Wade,Parker
'24 Vince Carter
'25 LMA
The other guys I haven't put on this list who are eligible currently is Tim Hardaway, Chris Webber, Ben Wallace. Those guys have been snubbed for a while. I do believe Ben Will get in either '22,'24,'25. I don't see Webber or Hardaway getting in due to politics which is Webber's booster scandal, and Hardaways phobic rant that he made many years ago.
He probably gets in. But there is no denying his career is a step down from some other players that did not win championships. Let’s just say he’s no Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley.
Agreed. I look at a guy like Mitch Richmond who has about the same amount of achievements as LMA. Mitch as 6 all-star games which is one less than LMA, has 5 all-nba team selections. His career numbers are very similar to LMA. Outside of going to the Lakers his playoff success was about the same as LMA's. He has a ring but I don't view it as legit since he only played in 2 playoff games for the '02 Lakers team. There are other guys like Mitch who have done about the same as LMA or a little less that have gotten in.
The criteria is simply too easy. For me you need to be a significant contributor to multiple NBA championships like Tony or Manu, or put up huge statistics in a great individual career that fell short of championships. I’m not a fan of the international play factoring in. I think it needs to be the NBA Hall of Fame since the majority of the career takes place in the NBA. But that’s just me. I mean it feels like they are counting college careers as well which makes no ing sense to me whatsoever. Put them in the college Hall of Fame and leave it at that. Is that part of the reason why Grant Hill is in the Hall of Fame? His college career at Duke? He spent 10 seasons in the NBA injured.
I agree with you on everything you said. Grant Hill is definitely in based on 50 percent of what he did at Duke and 50 percent of the NBA. That's how they squeezed him in but if you go by NBA career achievements he probably still gets in since he had 7 all-star games and 5 all-nba selections. Ralph Sampson is another guy that got a huge boost by his college career to get in there. If you take away his college achievements then he falls short of making the HOF. I do believe like you said there should be an NBA hall of fame so that not just anybody can get in there. I do believe in upcoming years we are going to see some random guys that are questionable get in simply because the NBA needs an NBA player to get in every year for marketing purposes.
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When it comes to Grant Hill I don’t think he belongs in the Hall of Fame at all. Ask the people in Orlando what they think about him making the Hall of Fame? He literally played in about 35% of their games over the course of six seasons and collected nearly $100 million. That’s basically theft.
I was on the fringe with Hill. It was tough for me considering he had a long stretch during the 90's where he was the best SF in the league. I would say from '95-'00 he was the best SF in the league.
Players get in from a number of categories, and one of them is NCAA. Bill Walton is in, and his NBA resume falls far short. There are even GIRLS enshrined at Springfield!! And referees!! And front office types!! And Euros who never played a minute in the NBA!!
It’s not the NBA HOF.
It’s not the NBA HOF.
17K, 4 All NBA selections, plus his NCAA accomplishments.
They have a college Hall of Fame.
Kind of like everybody gets a trophy day.
And an overall basketball one.
Which dumbs down the criteria.. Does someone like Webber belong in the Hall? A legacy built on unmet expectations and failures in big moments starting in college.. In the next 1-2 years he is likely getting in..
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I think going out like this with a health condition gets him in. I think he was going to get in assuming he had one more healthy season. If he retired last season he’s probably 50/50.
Wow Sampson is in the hall? About the only career highlights of his I can remember are that crazy shot to win Game 5 of the 86 WCF and the time he started a fight with Jerry Sichting and then got bodyslammed by Bill Walton.
I know that , because international players are in, but why aren’t some of the great college players recognized that didn’t have great NBA careers? But why isn’t Walter Davis and Phil Ford in the HOF? I agree with what you’re saying? But the HOF tends to sway more toward the NBA for some reason. Ford and David are gold medalists that had great college careers but weren’t great nba players, though Davis put up a lot of points in his career.
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