Had the same thoughts regarding Joe Johnson but you beat me to it and I was speed reading through.
It’s not as if we’re begging for Lauri over Collins. It’s just that it’s the only rumor being presented to us. People asking for Lauri shouldn’t fuel the desire for Collins from other people. In a perfect world, neither of these players should be an option (Collins on a max).
Exactly this. I’ll put in another ideal type of player: Marcus Morris. that guy, by the way.
and maybe Batum as well.
Can easily spread that money around players like Rondae Hollis Jefferson, Otto Porter, Stanley Johnson, Kelly Oubre once he humbles himself once understanding that no team will start him in 2022.
I'm all for paying Collins. There isn't many options coming up that you can use app that cap space on. He fits perfectly with what the spurs want from a 4 and his defense is criminally underrated. He guarded Randle and Simmons in the playoffs. Everyone was talking about how bad they played, well collins was a reason for that. Not the sole reason, but definitely a reason. He didn't have a role with the hawks. He was usually just stand back and bail out other players. It's kind of the kuzma complaint thing right now, that not having a consistent role hurts players game to game. Trae did some impressive things in the playoffs, but they played better without him on more than one occasion.
Is collins a max player? No. Is it going to hurt the spurs to pay him? Not at all. They have plenty of cap with nothing to do with it. Once he's under contract they can pay the other young guns with ease and still draft and hope for a star.
I'd take collins any day over Laurie, but I honestly dont see it realistically being too likely collins to spurs happens.
It's silly to try to argue he doesn't fit or cant play defense though.
The money is the only issue, however money is how you pry players away from other teams. In this instance, it wouldn't come close to putting the spurs in cap trouble.
Agreed. Noway atl just lets him walk for nothing ,and have been gushing over him since the playoffs ended.Maybe spurs can get cretaive and give atl something of value to let him go for a max deal
You'd be the exact guy I'd want in my NBA fantasy lerague, thinking 4 scrubs are better than one really good player.
Do you really think youre getting all of them for like $27M?
I hope he isn't one of those players that get paid, and then suddenly start to average out.
Lauri is absolute dog on defense and is def a 1 trick pony. At 15 per maybe spurs go ahead and see what happens
I never said I'd prefer them over a really good player. I'm simply mentioning an alternative, in the chance collins and markannen become unavailable. Should have made myself clearer
I still would rather have Mo wagner then either. Cheaper and still fits the pf/C role.
I’m good with trying out Mo Wagner on a cheap contract. He’s still just 24 and is playing pretty well in the Olympic qualifiers.
I think he's just as likely to play up to be honest. His complaint early in the year is that the ball was in traes hands too much and they weren't including everyone. They weren't moving it around enough and getting the most from the other players.
The spurs do exactly what when was asking for and Trae does make him better, when he is being utilized. Our young guys drove and kicked to wide open players all year, our wide open guys just didn't want to shoot. I don't think collins has a problem letting it fly and he's someone who can run the high pick and roll and finish like a man, instead of a middle school layup.
Mo Wagner is literally less than nothing. He posted a negative WS/48 one year. Based on his performance over his career, he may well not even be in the league next year, unless someone who drafts his brother does some kind of pity signing.
28 - 29 - 30 - 31
The negative WS is based on a 61 minute timeframe with one team. I don’t disagree that he has been bad but at this point I don’t mind taking flyers in the summer/preseason, 10 days, minimum contracts.
PATFO is willing to extend derozan for 2 years anyway. just do a reverse higher salary on first year, lower on 3rd/4th or even some team option type.
so flexibility remains by 2023
Remember that Collins is only 23. Whether he's worth a max contract today is certainly debatable, but there's a chance that he develops to the point that by the end of his contract, whether he's worth the max or not wouldn't even be a question.
Can’t frontload a max contract.
Another thing to note is that Lauri (24) is older than Collins (23).
He is older by four months. I’m not defending Lauri here, but this is an example of ST putting way too much ing weight on age. Ridiculous.
Lauri is too slow to defend mobile wings and not strong enough to play C for extended minutes.
Bulls fans have pretty much given up on him. He'll end up as a solid player, but nothing special.
Not worth more than 12-15 per year, if you ask me.
John Collins is younger than Chris Duarte-- that's kind of incredible. Not a qualitative assessment at all, just an observation. Collins has gotten paid pretty well for four years already, and is about to get a gigantic pay raise, and Duarte is looking for his first rookie scale paycheck.
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Thanks.
So there is a world where Spurs send DDR, Murray, Lonnie/pick to PHI for Simmons. And still have $$ to sign Collins to a near max deal. Interesting.
Interesting. Would think that adding in the pick wouldn’t be necessary. Doubt philly would get a better offer than DDR/Murray/Walker.
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