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    I don’t buy the rumor specifically because of Ben’s reputation of not really being tough enough (per Danny Green’s quote). Pop would eat him alive and drama will ensue.
    This, plus the perception that he isn't willing to put in the work and only surrounds himself with people/trainers who will coddle him.

    Pretty much the opposite of a "Pop player", and definitely not the type of dude you want leading your team.

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    This, plus the perception that he isn't willing to put in the work and only surrounds himself with people/trainers who will coddle him.

    Pretty much the opposite of a "Pop player", and definitely not the type of dude you want leading your team.

    In classic Spurs misdirection, perhaps they are, for some reason, allowing everyone to think we are considering to trade White and DJM for Simmons, when instead they are targeting someone else? Also unlikely, but perhaps more likely than all these weird leaks going around.

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    Or maybe it's a classic Spurs misdirection to ensure we can lock up Patty again and make a run at stealing Bryn Forbes.

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    Spurs will not do a Simmons trade without an OK from both Patty and former Spurs assistant and Sixers head coach Bret Brown. If either of them think he’s too much of a baby or too much trouble, it won’t happen.

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    The spurs may say no to simmons, but kicking the the tires on a three team trade is smart. The market for the spurs players is tepid, but as a minor trade partner that matters less

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    The DDR to Lakers for Kuzma and KCP is intriguing, especially if Spurs can manage to get Collins on a max and bring back Mills and Dieng. I don't foresee KCP as a long term piece for the Spurs as he'll naturally eat into Vassell and Walkers minutes. But that's a pretty deep team.
    I'm not sure if they have enough caproom to sign Collins to a max sheet and still sign and trade DeRozan for Kuzma and KCP. Those 2 combined are $26 million, and that would only leave them with 18-22 million in space, not really enough for Collins. And that's without the Lakers including their first round pick. Mills and Dieng would have to be renounced also.

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    I'm not sure if they have enough caproom to sign Collins to a max sheet and still sign and trade DeRozan for Kuzma and KCP. Those 2 combined are $26 million, and that would only leave them with 18-22 million in space, not really enough for Collins. And that's without the Lakers including their first round pick. Mills and Dieng would have to be renounced also.
    Chinook - is it even possible to do a S&T for DD to LA and still sign Collins to a max?

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    I'm not sure if they have enough caproom to sign Collins to a max sheet and still sign and trade DeRozan for Kuzma and KCP. Those 2 combined are $26 million, and that would only leave them with 18-22 million in space, not really enough for Collins. And that's without the Lakers including their first round pick. Mills and Dieng would have to be renounced also.
    Spurs have 60 mil in cap space.

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    The only possibility I could see is something like this . . .

    To Cavaliers: Murray, Milton . . . signed, affordable, better fitting young starter, young rotational guard and rid themselves of unwanted contract.

    To 76ers: DeRozan (sign and trade), White, Spurs top 5 protected '22 1st . . . prime, go-to shot creator, malleable jack of all trades type and potential valuable young asset.

    To Spurs: Simmons, Sexton, Osman . . . young foundational players and take on a salary dump.

    Johnson/Samanic
    Vassell/Osman/Jeffries?
    Poeltl/Dieng?/Eubanks
    Sexton/Walker IV
    Simmons/Mills?/Jones

    12th pick, 41st pick?
    I gotta admit, that's a pretty interesting lineup...I wouldn't want to pay Sexton what he's seeking but from a basketball perspective it would make me want to watch if I were a casual fan out there...

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    Spurs have 60 mil in cap space.
    How is it that much? I'm using sportrac numbers and rounding

    Projected cap at 112.4

    White 15.2
    Murray 15.4
    Poeltl 8.8
    Vassell 4.2
    Walker 4.5
    #12 3.9
    Samanic 3.0
    Keldon 2.1
    Eubanks 1.8
    Tre 1.5
    Roster charge 0.9
    Roster charge 0.9
    Carroll's dead cap 1.2

    That's a total of 63.4, not including the room exception which sportrac wants to include for some reason, leaving about 49 million in space.

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    How is it that much? I'm using sportrac numbers and rounding

    Projected cap at 112.4

    White 15.2
    Murray 15.4
    Poeltl 8.8
    Vassell 4.2
    Walker 4.5
    #12 3.9
    Samanic 3.0
    Keldon 2.1
    Eubanks 1.8
    Tre 1.5
    Roster charge 0.9
    Roster charge 0.9
    Carroll's dead cap 1.2

    That's a total of 63.4, not including the room exception which sportrac wants to include for some reason, leaving about 49 million in space.

    Found this online-
    Assuming the Spurs don’t make a trade, they guarantee Eubanks salary, they end up making the 12th pick in the draft, and they renounce the rights of all their free agents, the Spurs will have a total of $61,935,224 in guaranteed salary heading into free agency. With a projected salary cap of $112 million for the 2021-2022 season, that would give the Spurs roughly $47 million of cap space to work with to fill out the rest of the roster ($50 million minus roughly $3 million for the three incomplete roster charges they would incur for only have 10 players signed). They would also have access to the room exception worth around $5 million.

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    Found this online-
    Assuming the Spurs don’t make a trade, they guarantee Eubanks salary, they end up making the 12th pick in the draft, and they renounce the rights of all their free agents, the Spurs will have a total of $61,935,224 in guaranteed salary heading into free agency. With a projected salary cap of $112 million for the 2021-2022 season, that would give the Spurs roughly $47 million of cap space to work with to fill out the rest of the roster ($50 million minus roughly $3 million for the three incomplete roster charges they would incur for only have 10 players signed). They would also have access to the room exception worth around $5 million.
    Right.

    I suppose acquiring Kuzma and KCP would offset the roster charges, but that still would leave them with about 23? Million for Collins to start and Mills or Dieng would be stuck with the room exception or minimum.

    What is Collins' max start number? 28?

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    More on Collins: the locked on Hawks podcast host, who's pretty sharp, doesn't think the owner statements meant that they wouldn't match Collins.

    The full context was more about the future and being unable to keep everyone over the years, but they wouldn't have any tax concerns for at least a year

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    For Ben Simmons, would the Sixers accept an S&T for DeRozan?

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    More on Collins: the locked on Hawks podcast host, who's pretty sharp, doesn't think the owner statements meant that they wouldn't match Collins.

    The full context was more about the future and being unable to keep everyone over the years, but they wouldn't have any tax concerns for at least a year

    This is what I first thought when the article released. People got way too excited too fast.

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    I gotta admit, that's a pretty interesting lineup...I wouldn't want to pay Sexton what he's seeking but from a basketball perspective it would make me want to watch if I were a casual fan out there...
    I'm not a Simmons or Sexton fan, but there's zero indication that building a championship contender is the ultimate goal here anyway, so their flaws and salary in relation to that are virtually irrelevant.

    The team would have higher upside (I like the 1-4 versatility defensively among the starters) and as you alluded to, they'd actually have something to sell to the fanbase, especially casuals.

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    I'm not a Simmons or Sexton fan, but there's zero indication that building a championship contender is the ultimate goal here anyway, so their flaws and salary in relation to that are virtually irrelevant.

    The team would have higher upside (I like the 1-4 versatility defensively among the starters) and as you alluded to, they'd actually have something to sell to the fanbase, especially casuals.
    I agree with that too... I'm not a fan of either really and personally, I'd rather go in another direction but, you make good points here..

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    More on Collins: the locked on Hawks podcast host, who's pretty sharp, doesn't think the owner statements meant that they wouldn't match Collins.

    The full context was more about the future and being unable to keep everyone over the years, but they wouldn't have any tax concerns for at least a year
    YEA HAWKS ARENT LETTING JC WALK FOR NOTHING. Spurs would have to get creative with numbers or make a s&t. Luka and lonnie def wont cut it

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    This is what I first thought when the article released. People got way too excited too fast.
    True. No way the Hawks let Collin go.

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    Chinook - is it even possible to do a S&T for DD to LA and still sign Collins to a max?
    Yes. The longer answer is it would depend on what they took back from LAL and if they intend to keep guys like Gay and Mills on Bird contracts.

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    YEA HAWKS ARENT LETTING JC WALK FOR NOTHING. Spurs would have to get creative with numbers or make a s&t. Luka and lonnie def wont cut it
    Ok, then I’m happy to wait and make an offer on Hunter once they’ve maxed Trae, Collins, and are paying salaries to Bobdonovic and Hueter. I honestly think Collins is their least important young player going forward.

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    Ok, then I’m happy to wait and make an offer on Hunter once they’ve maxed Trae, Collins, and are paying salaries to Bobdonovic and Hueter. I honestly think Collins is their least important young player going forward.

    Im down with that. Hunter eventually or collins would be fine by me.Hopefully spurs can maintain some cap flexibilty if they miss on their targets going forward

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    For Ben Simmons, would the Sixers accept an S&T for DeRozan?
    I want no part of his contract, especially since he is afraid to shoot. He has had the Yips his entire career. that.

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    I want no part of his contract, especially since he is afraid to shoot. He has had the Yips his entire career. that.
    But we are not even playoff. We just need to get back to playoff. His non shooting woes usually appear during playoff when you play same opponent again and again and they push you to be as uncomfortable as you can

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    Found this online-
    Assuming the Spurs don’t make a trade, they guarantee Eubanks salary, they end up making the 12th pick in the draft, and they renounce the rights of all their free agents, the Spurs will have a total of $61,935,224 in guaranteed salary heading into free agency. With a projected salary cap of $112 million for the 2021-2022 season, that would give the Spurs roughly $47 million of cap space to work with to fill out the rest of the roster ($50 million minus roughly $3 million for the three incomplete roster charges they would incur for only have 10 players signed). They would also have access to the room exception worth around $5 million.
    Some reason I thought the cap space was 120mil

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