Trump and his proxies asked five dozen courts to set aside elections based on literally nothing and bull .
Is that democracy?
No, but it's not an attack on democracy unless he was simultaneously undermining the cons utional provisions that govern the electoral process, in congress and the supreme court. It's so en vogue now to claim the opposition is anti-American. Saying they were attacking democracy is akin to McCarthy era finger pointing.
I mean, if democracy was under attack, what damage did it suffer? Can you provide an estimate of the damages without trying to sound snarky or deflecting?
Did they?
According to the dictionary definition of "democracy" the elected official can do whatever he wants as he's an elected agent of the people. They don't have to have the best interest of their cons uents in mind.
Free commerce isn't the US government. They were trying to stop the EC results from being certified. It was an attack on the US cons ution and the form of government.
The US Congress was interrupted and evacuated -- a per se crime -- and ~55 US officers went top the hospital. It was a battle, not a parade march. Rebellion, to put a finer point on it.
Democracy isn't the US government either. Regardless what political system we use, it's still the US government. The only way they could stop anything was to abide by the rules even if they had to find loopholes. If someone violates a campaigning distance rule at a polling place, are they attacking democracy? They are trying to change the votes by violating the laws.
The people attacking the building were breaking laws. They were attacking the building maybe to delay/disrupt the certification. That wasn't an attack on democracy. They weren't trying to change the way America is governed by overthrowing the ins utions of government. They were unarmed.
Rebellion is a loophole?
the US Congress is the US government. Whether or not it's a democracy, attacking it is per se illegal.
If they were arrested then the system absorbed it. They have the right to peacefully assemble and to pe ion the government for redress of their grievances. They don't have the right to break into the building. You see disruptions of proceedings all the time during congressional hearings. Is that an attack on democracy?
But was democracy itself attacked? Do you equate the federal government with democracy?
I didn't say democracy was under attack, I said our government and our cons ution were attacked.
such as it is colloquially and normatively understood, yes.
You jumped into a discussion/argument against the comment that our democracy was attacked. I don't care to address multiple parallel claims unrelated to the one you're jumping in to defend.
Sorry you can't handle multiple takes and a fluid, mature conversation. That's your limitation, not mine.
If you want to equate disinterest to inability then whatever makes you feel better. I don't care to argue a point I didn't make. Sorry you don't have anyone to talk to tonight.
The assembly wasn't peaceable.
There was no attempt to present a pe ion, nor any oppportunity given for the US Congress to address the complaint.
No speeches, no formal grievance, just violent breaking and entering in an attempt to "stop the steal."
It was mostly peaceful
You want to give up?
Fine by me.
America isn't a democracy, wasn't founded as democracy.
the land-preferred, population-insensitive Senate, and the disenfranchising Electoral College were huge ups, as were the numerous compromises to accommodate the slave owning states or territories.
Bull . That's ridiculous.
The US Congress was violently broken into and evacuated. Five people died and 55 US officers went to the hospital.
What do you think would have happened if the mob got their hands on Pence or Pelosi?
what words did i put in your mouth?
for instance, you said this verbatim
" , a sitting POTUS launched an investigation into the primary candidate of the opposition. Democracy my ass."
so, when you said "Democracy my ass" was that not inferring that we dont actually have a democracy?
the riots were specifically aimed at stopping the peaceful transfer of power as a result of a free democratic election. the goal of the riot was to thwart the results of the election. how that can be characterized as anything but an attack on democracy is beyond me.
you can call it a weak or ineffective attack, and thats fine.
yeah. 53% of republicans today believe that Trump was the true winner of the election. a significant portion of our country has lost any faith in the fairness of our elections based on nothing but repeated unfounded claims which manifested most directly on jan 6
Your indifference is not meaningfully distinguishable from inability. No one but you can tell the difference.
Code Pink holding up a sign in the gallery and yelling is not equivalent to a thousand people breaking into a putatively closed and secure US building to prevent the US Congress from certifying a free and fair election.
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