Results 1 to 7 of 7
  1. #1
    Believe. MultiTroll's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    22,806
    If you see the other thread on NBA: 2021 Highest salaries and their teams finish (spurstalk.com) it's apparent that having one or two top salary players does not mean playoffs or playoff success for the majority of teams. True tho, 2021's eventual champs are most likely going to have one or two in the case of Brooklyn 3 of the highest paid.

    How about teams? Can anybody be an Oakland A's Moneyball type winner?
    This years Moneyball type winner incredibly was....New York Knicks. Knicks flamed in the playoffs but they did make it.
    That's right, Knicks had 2nd to the last payroll. And they have a ton of cap space both now this offseason and especially next summer. Lets hope the Knicks don't screw up another great op with some terrible signing.

    NBA Salaries | HoopsHype


  2. #2
    MORE LIFE SOON COME 313's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    11,595
    The Hawks are 25th in payroll.

  3. #3
    Believe. MultiTroll's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    22,806
    The Hawks are 25th in payroll.
    Wonder where ATL sits historically.
    2-2 in ECFs with a legit shot to move on to Finals.

    Found an article but it's written in mathematical gobblygook if any of you can decipher:
    Microsoft Word - grantshorin-dje.docx (duke.edu)

  4. #4
    Veteran ThaBigFundamental21's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    1,447
    If you see the other thread on NBA: 2021 Highest salaries and their teams finish (spurstalk.com) it's apparent that having one or two top salary players does not mean playoffs or playoff success for the majority of teams. True tho, 2021's eventual champs are most likely going to have one or two in the case of Brooklyn 3 of the highest paid.

    How about teams? Can anybody be an Oakland A's Moneyball type winner?
    This years Moneyball type winner incredibly was....New York Knicks. Knicks flamed in the playoffs but they did make it.
    That's right, Knicks had 2nd to the last payroll. And they have a ton of cap space both now this offseason and especially next summer. Lets hope the Knicks don't screw up another great op with some terrible signing.

    NBA Salaries | HoopsHype

    Money ball? As in broke, always pretty good, but never good enough? Choke in the playoffs every year?

  5. #5
    Believe. MultiTroll's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    22,806
    Money ball? As in broke, always pretty good, but never good enough? Choke in the playoffs every year?
    Making the most out of the $ spent by a lesser revenue team.
    Coined by Oakland As when they went from last place to almost beating the huge payroll Skunkies in 2001 playoffs.

    I don't know where to find the stats but ATLs 25th in payroll to ECFs has got to rank fairly high in NBA history.

  6. #6
    Dragon style JamStone's Avatar
    My Team
    Detroit Pistons
    Post Count
    22,190
    Rookie contracts and free agency in the NBA makes it difficult. In baseball, teams own the rights to young players basically 6-7 years with rookie years and arbitration eligible years before they have to even think about paying big money contracts to them, unless they decide to do it early, e.g. Mike Trout, Fernando Tatis.

    In the NBA most first round picks start with 4 year contracts, then free agent eligibility unless they get extended beforehand. But because in recent years player empowerment has led to some pretty big name players leaving the teams that drafted them, especially smaller market cities, teams now start worrying about offering max extensions after the 2nd or 3rd seasons in fear of losing their franchise player. One max NBA contract already digs a big financial hole into an NBA payroll. Once you get two max players and another plus contract, a team is already worried about being over the cap and approaching the luxury tax. And that can happen in a matter of 2-3 years when the team starts getting good and young players reach their star potential. It’s not as easy to replace a star player in the NBA by just letting them walk. You might be able to get away with it in the MLB because there are so many more players you rely on to be good. In fact, better than Oakland, Tampa is the example that shows the intuitiveness when to let their star players go and still continue being a successful, winning team. They let Carl Crawford, BJ Upton, James Shields, Wade Davis, Ben Zobrist, David Price, Wil Myers, Chris Archer all walk or get traded in their primes. Their payroll is an oversized piggy bank and they still win, make the playoffs, make a World Series.

    One could argue the pre-Durant Warriors were kind of like an NBA version of Moneyball. No max contracts initially. No #1 overall pick, no top 5 pick even. Couple mid lottery picks as their stars, a second rounder outperforming his draft spot. And a style that played off three point shooting and movement instead of a post player or heavy isolation star. Using the math of three point shooting as a primary factor in style of play. But because of rookie scale contracts with shorter windows and the nature of NBA s om and max contracts, with that team success comes a price. Max contracts, multiple ones. And a bigger than normal contract for a role player like Draymond. Add Dominos on a salary cap loophole scenario, and almost overnight, that financial prudence and flexibility in their payroll is gone. No more Moneyball. They’re a Yankees or Red Sox payroll now.

    The nature of the NBA payroll and salary structure makes an NBA version of Moneyball pretty difficult to achieve, if not virtually impossible.

  7. #7
    Hans Brix??? Oh no!!!! Kim Jong-il's Avatar
    My Team
    Los Angeles Clippers
    Post Count
    1,165
    Rookie contracts and free agency in the NBA makes it difficult. In baseball, teams own the rights to young players basically 6-7 years with rookie years and arbitration eligible years before they have to even think about paying big money contracts to them, unless they decide to do it early, e.g. Mike Trout, Fernando Tatis.

    In the NBA most first round picks start with 4 year contracts, then free agent eligibility unless they get extended beforehand. But because in recent years player empowerment has led to some pretty big name players leaving the teams that drafted them, especially smaller market cities, teams now start worrying about offering max extensions after the 2nd or 3rd seasons in fear of losing their franchise player. One max NBA contract already digs a big financial hole into an NBA payroll. Once you get two max players and another plus contract, a team is already worried about being over the cap and approaching the luxury tax. And that can happen in a matter of 2-3 years when the team starts getting good and young players reach their star potential. It’s not as easy to replace a star player in the NBA by just letting them walk. You might be able to get away with it in the MLB because there are so many more players you rely on to be good. In fact, better than Oakland, Tampa is the example that shows the intuitiveness when to let their star players go and still continue being a successful, winning team. They let Carl Crawford, BJ Upton, James Shields, Wade Davis, Ben Zobrist, David Price, Wil Myers, Chris Archer all walk or get traded in their primes. Their payroll is an oversized piggy bank and they still win, make the playoffs, make a World Series.

    One could argue the pre-Durant Warriors were kind of like an NBA version of Moneyball. No max contracts initially. No #1 overall pick, no top 5 pick even. Couple mid lottery picks as their stars, a second rounder outperforming his draft spot. And a style that played off three point shooting and movement instead of a post player or heavy isolation star. Using the math of three point shooting as a primary factor in style of play. But because of rookie scale contracts with shorter windows and the nature of NBA s om and max contracts, with that team success comes a price. Max contracts, multiple ones. And a bigger than normal contract for a role player like Draymond. Add Dominos on a salary cap loophole scenario, and almost overnight, that financial prudence and flexibility in their payroll is gone. No more Moneyball. They’re a Yankees or Red Sox payroll now.

    The nature of the NBA payroll and salary structure makes an NBA version of Moneyball pretty difficult to achieve, if not virtually impossible.
    Even then, the Warriors were a couple near disastrous mistakes of their own doing (offering either Steph or Monta but Milwaukee picking Monta, on the verge of completing a Klay for Love trade) away from being nothing.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •