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    Yall love to label the right as anti Vax conspiracy theorists but it's not as political as u think. It's really common sense. Ok so I have a less than 2% chance I die from covid. On other hand we have a vaccine that was rushed out with no long term testing. Has the fda given full approval yet? Do we kno why young people were getting heart inflammation from Pfizer yet? Do we have long term testing? Do we kno that there won't be complications 5,10,15 yrs later worse than covid? Can anyone give me any guarantees? Have we not had drugs with full fda approval get yanked years later?

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    Yall love to label the right as anti Vax conspiracy theorists but it's not as political as u think. It's really common sense. Ok so I have a less than 2% chance I die from covid. On other hand we have a vaccine that was rushed out with no long term testing. Has the fda given full approval yet? Do we kno why young people were getting heart inflammation from Pfizer yet? Do we have long term testing? Do we kno that there won't be complications 5,10,15 yrs later worse than covid? Can anyone give me any guarantees? Have we not had drugs with full fda approval get yanked years later?
    The concept of viral vector vaccines like the J&J were introduced back in 1972. By 1982 we had successfully engineered a viral vector. The first clinical trials of viral vectors for therapeutics was in 1990. (source)

    No vaccine is 100% safe and effective in all cases and all persons, that has never been the case, as it is with pretty much every other drug (and things like effectiveness rate is published and well-known).

    COVID won't give you a guarantee that you're not in the 2% that die either, but a vaccine will reduce that 2% to well below 0.01% AND ensure you're not spreading the virus while you're incubating it, which can lead to new mutations.

    Would be good to learn a thing or two from history as well. We largely erradicated diseases like Tuberculosis (the BCG vaccine recently turned 100 years old), Polio (first successful vaccine in 1955), etc thanks to mass vaccinations. None of those vaccines are 100% safe and effective either, but they wiped out those diseases, and nowadays, we even rarely vaccinate against them anymore. They have saved millions of lives.

    So, yeah, the anti-vaxx is largely political or simply a case of ignorance. Neither is an excuse. If there wouldn't be a chance for the virus mutating and rendering vaccines less effective and having to continue to fight this due to stupidity, then I'll say go have a talk with Darwin and I couldn't care less, but unfortunately I do have to care.

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    OP with the non-misleading thread le... well done.

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    The concept of viral vector vaccines like the J&J were introduced back in 1972. By 1982 we had successfully engineered a viral vector. The first clinical trials of viral vectors for therapeutics was in 1990. (source)

    No vaccine is 100% safe and effective in all cases and all persons, that has never been the case, as it is with pretty much every other drug (and things like effectiveness rate is published and well-known).

    COVID won't give you a guarantee that you're not in the 2% that die either, but a vaccine will reduce that 2% to well below 0.01% AND ensure you're not spreading the virus while you're incubating it, which can lead to new mutations.

    Would be good to learn a thing or two from history as well. We largely erradicated diseases like Tuberculosis (the BCG vaccine recently turned 100 years old), Polio (first successful vaccine in 1955), etc thanks to mass vaccinations. None of those vaccines are 100% safe and effective either, but they wiped out those diseases, and nowadays, we even rarely vaccinate against them anymore. They have saved millions of lives.

    So, yeah, the anti-vaxx is largely political or simply a case of ignorance. Neither is an excuse. If there wouldn't be a chance for the virus mutating and rendering vaccines less effective and having to continue to fight this due to stupidity, then I'll say go have a talk with Darwin and I couldn't care less, but unfortunately I do have to care.
    I could dissect this if I wanted. But let's save the trouble and bottom line it. You're a hardcore bull ter abiding an agenda.

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    of course derp is all over this... probably another post I didn't read where he dodged the topic at hand and went with some combination of personal insult/conspiracy nonsense.

    Adults talking here derp, move along. Go do your gab thing... rofl

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    FYI, for people tired of derp's junk threads and posts all over this place, here's a thread filter to erase him from Spurstalk...

    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...9#post10559679

    You're welcome, tbh...

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    Liberty and health are more important than greenbacks. I might have figured you would understand that.
    Your liberty stops when you become a transmission vessel for a deadly pathogen for others that can't get vaccinated yet for whatever reason like kids under 12 or the immuno-compromised. Cases are starting to e again precisely because of your freedom (or arrogant ignorance). Then again, this may just be Darwinism at play as thousands are dying again and like 96% ate unvaccinated. I only feel sorry for the 4% and say peace the out to the 96%.

    I'm so ing sick of hearing about your ing freedom. I want to have the freedom to shove my down your throat.

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    Yall love to label the right as anti Vax conspiracy theorists but it's not as political as u think. It's really common sense. Ok so I have a less than 2% chance I die from covid. On other hand we have a vaccine that was rushed out with no long term testing. Has the fda given full approval yet? Do we kno why young people were getting heart inflammation from Pfizer yet? Do we have long term testing? Do we kno that there won't be complications 5,10,15 yrs later worse than covid? Can anyone give me any guarantees? Have we not had drugs with full fda approval get yanked years later?
    Full FDA approval is not only a sure thing, it's imminent. It will be done within a month or so.

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    Your liberty stops when you become a transmission vessel for a deadly pathogen for others that can't get vaccinated yet for whatever reason like kids under 12 or the immuno-compromised. Cases are starting to e again precisely because of your freedom (or arrogant ignorance). Then again, this may just be Darwinism at play as thousands are dying again and like 96% ate unvaccinated. I only feel sorry for the 4% and say peace the out to the 96%.

    I'm so ing sick of hearing about your ing freedom. I want to have the freedom to shove my down your throat.
    Show me the proof that this so-called deadly pathogen even exists in the general population if at all.

    Also, you're arrogant AF. If your poisons were effective against your fake disease, you wouldn't be such a scared got.

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    Imagine giving up a cush 6-to-7 figure job because you don't want to get a couple shots.
    It would add to the irony if he now gets a bad case of COVID.

    Lots of fools out there. Just get vaccinatedÖjeez.

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    On a more serious note, this should open everyone's eyes.

    The ruling class wants to take away your livelihood if you don't inject their poison.

    A "vaccine" that they won't even vouch for the efficacy (be held liable).
    The U.S. has reopened thanks to the vaccine. The science isnít that complex and the side effect risk is low. Every drug has potential side effects. Havenít you read your Viagra label? You can die from the side effects of that drug far easier than from the COVID vaccine, yet you still pop a couple of those blue pills before logging into your favorite anime site.

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    Full FDA approval is not only a sure thing, it's imminent. It will be done within a month or so.
    Then it'll be time to move the goalposts again

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    All this talk that only far right republican maga trump s are antivaxxers is false. I've met liberals too that think that that graphene oxide shot is poison that's meant to kill you, sterilize you, and what not. This issue goes way beyond political philosophical differences between people. There's people who have died, gotten severe allergic reactions, and yet you can't sue them. How do you know which shots are poison, which are not? Lots of people I know that work in the medical field; nurses, doctors, cna's, haven't gotten it and are refusing to get it.

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    All this talk that only far right republican maga trump s are antivaxxers is false. I've met liberals too that think that that graphene oxide shot is poison that's meant to kill you, sterilize you, and what not. This issue goes way beyond political philosophical differences between people. There's people who have died, gotten severe allergic reactions, and yet you can't sue them. How do you know which shots are poison, which are not? Lots of people I know that work in the medical field; nurses, doctors, cna's, haven't gotten it and are refusing to get it.
    It used to be like that, antivaxxers split between re left wing anti-GMO conspiri types and right wing jeebo s, but no denying the COVID truthers and antivaxxers are hugely tilted to the right nowadays.

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    Yall love to label the right as anti Vax conspiracy theorists but it's not as political as u think. It's really common sense. Ok so I have a less than 2% chance I die from covid. On other hand we have a vaccine that was rushed out with no long term testing. Has the fda given full approval yet? Do we kno why young people were getting heart inflammation from Pfizer yet? Do we have long term testing? Do we kno that there won't be complications 5,10,15 yrs later worse than covid? Can anyone give me any guarantees? Have we not had drugs with full fda approval get yanked years later?
    you're a bible thumping jeebo , you have no room to lecture anyone on common sense when you believe in like talking bushes and a man chilling in a whales stomach for 3 days or whatever, dumbass

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    It used to be like that, antivaxxers split between re left wing anti-GMO conspiri types and right wing jeebo s, but no denying the COVID truthers and antivaxxers are hugely tilted to the right nowadays.

    it's impossible to know. At the end of the day, we're all gonna die anyways. vaccine or no vaccine. It's impossible to know each of our personal futures. There's people still getting covid and dying, even with the vaccine! I got covid last year but only affected me like 3 days of not smelling or tasting anything. But that's the symptoms I got. I was still working out and still affect my cardio. I've had worst flu's when I was younger when I had asthma that was cured with herbs and badger fat mixed with honey. My dad on the other band got his lungs destroyed and almost died from it. He's now on oxygen but alive.

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    POOR OPPRESSED MAGA

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    Lol. ďItís a maga thingĒ. Lol. Trump is responsible for these vaccines dumbasses. He has also pushed them. I know people that got very ill after these shots and my aunt can no longer walk after getting vaxxed. If itís the end all be all then get your jab and leave that donít alone. What are you so afraid of? Youíre vaccinated right? The under 12 thing? Come on. Kids are largely unaffected by this virus but those teenagers that got the jab and had heart issues will never be the same.

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    Lol. ďItís a maga thingĒ. Lol. Trump is responsible for these vaccines dumbasses. He has also pushed them. I know people that got very ill after these shots and my aunt can no longer walk after getting vaxxed. If itís the end all be all then get your jab and leave that donít alone. What are you so afraid of? Youíre vaccinated right? The under 12 thing? Come on. Kids are largely unaffected by this virus but those teenagers that got the jab and had heart issues will never be the same.
    Austin has gone back to stage 4 and is headed towards stage 5 (with hospitilizations mostly affecting people who haven't been vaccinated).

    Trump isn't responsible for other than pretending like COVID didn't exist for a year and then sitting on his hands until the Biden administration kicked him out of office. Suddenly vaccinations became WIDELY available after the election...weird.

    For people who have kids or who are trying to have kids, yes...that is a problem.

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    Lol. ďItís a maga thingĒ. Lol. Trump is responsible for these vaccines dumbasses. He has also pushed them. I know people that got very ill after these shots and my aunt can no longer walk after getting vaxxed. If itís the end all be all then get your jab and leave that donít alone. What are you so afraid of? Youíre vaccinated right? The under 12 thing? Come on. Kids are largely unaffected by this virus but those teenagers that got the jab and had heart issues will never be the same.
    Trump had nothing to do with the vaccines, lol. He said: "Make vaccines!" and thought that's how happened. The vaccines were mostly made in Europe, anyway, while he was talking up hydrochlroroquine and shining UV rays directly into your lungs. Meanwhile he was belittling science, goading people into attacking state houses and downplaying the vaccine when we actually had one. Meanwhile he had Jared Kushner stealing PPE from the states and reselling them at personal profit and was fighting with governors to prevent them from being able to implement public measures. He's a ing idiot, you're a ing idiot, and spreading further idiocy about kids not being affected. You're a deeply stupid individual and emblematic of why this country is ing looney tunes. Just shut the up until we can try to control this .

    What an embarrassment.

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    Yall love to label the right as anti Vax conspiracy theorists but it's not as political as u think. It's really common sense. Ok so I have a less than 2% chance I die from covid. On other hand we have a vaccine that was rushed out with no long term testing. Has the fda given full approval yet? Do we kno why young people were getting heart inflammation from Pfizer yet? Do we have long term testing? Do we kno that there won't be complications 5,10,15 yrs later worse than covid? Can anyone give me any guarantees? Have we not had drugs with full fda approval get yanked years later?
    Billions have taken the vaccines. We already know plenty about what happens when you take them: they prevent you from getting Covid in large measure.

    I mean, if you don't want to take it, then fine, roll the ing dice. But don't be a goddamn moron about this you're saying. It's stupid, you know it's stupid, and you're just coming up with absolute diarrhea-grade bull to cover for yourself. Just own up to it and say you don't give a about your own health or the health of people around you. Just be honest.

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    Let's not forget the j&j vaccine getting yanked. I would hardly compare these to vaccines that have decades of testing behind them.
    Like I'm getting upset by a guy naming himself after a terrorist. Do some research n if it's actually honest research it'll make ur head spin, then ur life

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    Get your straw man bull outta here. Sanctimonious .

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    Trump had nothing to do with the vaccines, lol. He said: "Make vaccines!" and thought that's how happened. The vaccines were mostly made in Europe, anyway, while he was talking up hydrochlroroquine and shining UV rays directly into your lungs. Meanwhile he was belittling science, goading people into attacking state houses and downplaying the vaccine when we actually had one. Meanwhile he had Jared Kushner stealing PPE from the states and reselling them at personal profit and was fighting with governors to prevent them from being able to implement public measures. He's a ing idiot, you're a ing idiot, and spreading further idiocy about kids not being affected. You're a deeply stupid individual and emblematic of why this country is ing looney tunes. Just shut the up until we can try to control this .

    What an embarrassment.
    Yes you are an embarrassment. Why do you care what anyone else does if you’re vaccinated? Answer me that one question without going all ape calling me names.

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    Austin has gone back to stage 4 and is headed towards stage 5 (with hospitilizations mostly affecting people who haven't been vaccinated).

    Trump isn't responsible for other than pretending like COVID didn't exist for a year and then sitting on his hands until the Biden administration kicked him out of office. Suddenly vaccinations became WIDELY available after the election...weird.

    For people who have kids or who are trying to have kids, yes...that is a problem.
    Wrong

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