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    I don't think there's an issue with saying "He's not an NBA player", meaning that he's not someone who deserves to be in the league or not someone who you expect to be on the league after his contract ends. I don't know what percentage of second-rounders get multi-year second contracts. I suspect it's actually a bit better than 10-15 percent, but maybe not. Looking at the Spurs' roster, for example, you have almost exclusively first-rounders, with Forbes, Landale, Eubanks and Jones being the guys on the main roster who don't qualify. KBD and Wieskamp are second-rounders, but as two-way guys, I don't know that either can be said to have "made it". Certainly, it hasn't always been that way, with the 2013 Spurs having Manu, Green, Mills, Blair, de Colo and Jackson as second-rounders and Baynes and Neal as undrafted players. That's well over half the roster, and none of those guys were on the team simply because the Spurs just drafted them. They all were brought in or retained after proving themselves. In other words, with the possible exception of de Colo, they were all NBA players.

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    Of those 20 something second rounders from 2019, I’d be curious how many were on two ways. The NBA seemed to take advantage of a covid rule change in maximum time with the big club to leverage cheap labor. I’m wondering if, when they change the rule back,you’ll see fewer second rounders playing games in the NBA at full labor cost.

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    Two phrases I have difficulty with are "he's not an NBA player" and "he's not in the same league as [NBA player]" when the poster is referring to a player in the NBA, and therefore, a player that is in the same league as the other player.

    26 players drafted in the second round of the 2019-2020 draft played in the NBA last year. 87% means that a 10-15% chance of being an NBA player is incredibly low compared to most 2nd rounders.
    By saying Wieskamp has a chance to be an NBA player, that was short-hand for stating that I think he can have a long, legitimate, ~10-year NBA career. Most second round picks at least get a cup of coffee these days, especially with COVID rules expanding rosters even further (two-way deals and the fact that second rounders don't count as much against the lux tax as other players signed to a minimum deal).

    Looking at the 2010 draft, there's one second rounder still in the league (Hassan Whiteside at #33). The 2011 draft has two: Bojan Bogdanovic at #31 and E'Twaun Moore #55. 2012 has ~5 players still in the league after 9 years, while the 2013 has only two (Mike Muscala and James Ennis) in the league after eight years.

    So that's ten players total in the four second rounds. 10/120 = 8% chance of a second round pick in that era having a long NBA career. I'm giving Wieskamp a 10-15% chance of joining that group -- which doesn't sound like amazing odds but it's almost double the odds of a random second round pick. Moreover, most second rounders that make it are drafted near the top of the second round and, IIRC, players drafted past pick 40 have like a 5% chance of becoming NBA lifers -- so I'm pretty high on Wieskamp given his actual odds.

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    Wieskamp certainly has the type of skillset to survive in today's NBA. If the league changes as much in the next 10 years as it has in the last 10, who knows, but shooting and being able to move without the ball should always be valuable. I don't see him starting unless he greatly improves or it's for a bad team, but a long-term solid bench role is well within reach for him.

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    By saying Wieskamp has a chance to be an NBA player, that was short-hand for stating that I think he can have a long, legitimate, ~10-year NBA career. Most second round picks at least get a cup of coffee these days, especially with COVID rules expanding rosters even further (two-way deals and the fact that second rounders don't count as much against the lux tax as other players signed to a minimum deal).

    Looking at the 2010 draft, there's one second rounder still in the league (Hassan Whiteside at #33). The 2011 draft has two: Bojan Bogdanovic at #31 and E'Twaun Moore #55. 2012 has ~5 players still in the league after 9 years, while the 2013 has only two (Mike Muscala and James Ennis) in the league after eight years.

    So that's ten players total in the four second rounds. 10/120 = 8% chance of a second round pick in that era having a long NBA career. I'm giving Wieskamp a 10-15% chance of joining that group -- which doesn't sound like amazing odds but it's almost double the odds of a random second round pick. Moreover, most second rounders that make it are drafted near the top of the second round and, IIRC, players drafted past pick 40 have like a 5% chance of becoming NBA lifers -- so I'm pretty high on Wieskamp given his actual odds.
    Yikes. That really tough odds!

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    he all ready beat worse odds to make it in the NBA everything else is Gravy. Lol

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    Looking at the 2010 draft, there's one second rounder still in the league (Hassan Whiteside at #33). The 2011 draft has two: Bojan Bogdanovic at #31 and E'Twaun Moore #55. 2012 has ~5 players still in the league after 9 years, while the 2013 has only two (Mike Muscala and James Ennis) in the league after eight years.
    2011 has four, add Davis Bertans and Isaiah Thomas.
    2012 has six, add Tomas Satoransky
    2013 has three, add Raul Neto

    timvp's point is still valid.
    Last edited by Drom John; 08-18-2021 at 03:13 PM.

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    IMHO SA should be looking to Eubanks KBD

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    IMHO SA should be looking to Eubanks KBD
    They'll still have his RFA rights next year, so they can Eubanks him then.

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    They'll still have his RFA rights next year, so they can Eubanks him then.
    Yup. I’m just saying I hope their mind is looking that direction.

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