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    you sure write long posts
    i love to breakdown the rationale that people have behind their strong feelings towards things

    people misconstrue that as me being on a particular side on a subject matter, when it’s just me seeking understanding.

    when someone learns something new (including myself), everybody wins.

    when people admit they don’t know—that’s true wisdom.

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    High school scouting report
    Date: 2/20

    Versatile guard who is more of a secondary ball handler right now but should be a playmaker who can score and create regardless of position. Has smooth stroke with ability to hit shots off the catch and pull from both midrange and three. Also has impressive touch on floater. Changes speeds well off bounce. High feel usually aids his shot selection; doesnt typically force too many bad shots. Combination of size, long/lean frame and feel give him potential as a multi-positional defender as he gets stronger. Has pretty safe floor to go with a very high upside given his potential on both sides of the court. High major starter with normal continued development.

    https://247sports.com/player/josh-primo-46059188/

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    you sure write long posts

    Yes, he does. But I was disappointed in that one, since he didnt show any creative use of fonts, or include any tweets or instagram pix. It was beneath the standards weve come to expect. Cant expect a guy to be at the top of his game all the time, tho, and I hope he perks up soon.

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    Lets take a step back

    which player(s) are you upset about the Spurs not drafting?

    if its one player, like say Sengun, what led you to the conclusion that hes guaranteed to be something special? Is it your superior scouting skills? Or the consensus of mock drafts floating online? Next, you listed players that Presti had missed out on, so is it safe to say your scouting skills are perfect or the consensus of mock drafts have never been wrong?

    just working out your logic here. There are two separate hot topics about the draft:

    1) that there was definitely player or players that the Spurs missed the boat on
    2) they could have traded down (which has been disproven already by multiple reports)

    we are arguing point 1. Just to be clear.

    now, if were arguing playerS (plural), well its not a stretch that there could be ONE good player out of six players that could become good that the Spurs passed up on. Youre not actually making a hard prediction there.
    The point was that presti passing on a player doesn't equal the player being not good enough to draft

    , presti passed on Primo when he had a chance

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    1/23/21 Article on Josh Primo

    Hes progressed a lot. Hes come along, man. Like when he first got here, he was a nervous little freshman -- just how I was when I was a freshman. Theres a lot of older guys on this team. We all just try to give him confidence every day and give him little pointers every now and then. But hes a very fast learner, so weve just been learning off of each other. Weve been playing well together, I feel like, when me and him are on the court together.

    He came in, played the first handful of games at 17 years old, Oats said. Hes young, looks young, at times, played like he was young, but you always could see the potential. You knew what he was capable of doing based on what you saw him doing in practice. And he spends so much time in the gym. Hes one of the biggest gym rats we have on the team. You knew that if he just kept working that good things are gonna happen.
    Now, nobody could have predicted hes gonna score 14 of the first 16 points we scored against Auburn or go 6-of-8 from three at LSU like hes done, so hes exceeding expectations in that regard. I think hes got a lot more room to grow. His ceilings much higher than what hes even showing. Were just gonna keep working, working, working until we get him a lot closer to that ceiling.


    And Oats and company believe the freshman guard is just getting started.
    I think hes gonna be a guy that when he leaves here and goes plays professionally, hes gonna continue to get better because he spends so much time in the gym and hes 6-6 with a huge wingspan, weighs almost 200 pounds and is athletic, Oats said. Hes got all of those things that you cant coach, and then hes super coachable on top of that stuff. Really happy for him. Hes a great kid. If you have any conversations with him, hes just all about the right stuff.
    A great kid to have in our program, and hes really helped us in our culture this year.

    https://247sports.com/Article/Alabam...row-159779799/
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    High school scouting report
    Date: 2/20

    Versatile guard who is more of a secondary ball handler right now but should be a playmaker who can score and create regardless of position. Has smooth stroke with ability to hit shots off the catch and pull from both midrange and three. Also has impressive touch on floater. Changes speeds well off bounce. High feel usually aids his shot selection; doesn’t typically force too many bad shots. Combination of size, long/lean frame and feel give him potential as a multi-positional defender as he gets stronger. Has pretty safe floor to go with a very high upside given his potential on both sides of the court. High major starter with normal continued development.”

    https://247sports.com/player/josh-primo-46059188/
    Worth mentioning again that he was supposed to be a high school senior this last year. Instead he was playing college.

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    12/10/21 Article on Josh Primo

    Quote is from a senior (at the time) and fellow NBA draftee, Herb Jones, saying this about a freshman:

    There is plenty of basketball in front of the talented freshman, and his ability is starting to show on the court. But something his new teammates have noticed is the newcomers effort.

    Hes a great player, said senior wing Herbert Jones on Thursdays Zoom call. He plays hard. He can defend well. He can shoot the ball well. He can handle the ball well. He doesnt have a lot of holes in his game. I mean, I try to play as hard as him at times. He doesnt know that, but yeah, I try to play as hard as him most times.

    https://247sports.com/college/alabam...all-156570343/
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    6/5/2020 Article on Josh Primo:

    As Boone pointed out, guards thrive in Oats system, and several talented guards flourished in his tenure at Buffalo -- and even Alabama last year. But Primo stands out to the coach.

    I think hes got higher upside than all of them, Oats told 247Sports last month. Hes like a 6-6 point guard/combo guard, so hes got size, and hes a great kid. If you go back to the Buffalo days, we had some pretty good guards there, and thats why we made it up to 14th in the country. But C.J. Massinburg, a really high character guy, Davonta Jordan, Wes Clark played for me in high school. Those guys all love basketball, high-character kids. Josh is the same way.

    Hes just 6-6 and really athletic, so thats why hes projected out a little higher than maybe some of those other guys. Hopefully, we get him down here and hes as good or better than advertised. Obviously, hes never done it at a college level, but hes played on an international level, playing on the Canadian national team. He was the youngest guy in Greece last summer and the youngest guy on any of those teams from across the world. I think hes got a really, really high upside, he loves basketball, wants to be in the gym and hes a great, great kid, too.
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    One of the few draft related podcasts that had predraft coverage of Primo, Upside Swings

    June 19th episode

    Primo talk is near the end, about an hour in

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    Quotes from Primo, right before the draft:

    Going into this season, what I figured out was just really trying to find out what my team needed most. Really just adapting to what my team needs from me. Whether thats leadership or type of energy I need to bring, I really just focused on that. If it needs to be defensively, itll be defensively. If its offensively, its offensively. Sometimes its just lifting up my teammates. I can do all those things and am able to adapt.

    Additionally, the days of playing just one position are over. The best players in the world are able to play at least two positions as the game shifts to a more positionless style. Luckily for Primo, he fits that mold and understands the direction the NBA is going.

    I think this game has become more or less positionless. Im able to play one through three and defend those positions as well. I think Ill be able to fit well in this positionless league, said Primo.

    At 6-foot-6, Primo can shoot, facilitate, pass, defend and be an influential leader on the court. Hes also ambidextrous, saying that the only reason he shoots with his right hand is because thats how his dad taught him, but everything else he does with his left hand.


    In terms of a successful rookie season, Primo has his mind set on accomplishing his teams goals. With the versatility he brings, he can fill any role he needs to and help impact winning immediately. With that in mind, he laid out a few goals for his first NBA season.

    I want the team that Im on to have achieved the goals that they set out," said the projected first-round pick. "Second, being one of the most influential rookies, a guy that affects the game from the start. Being that guy with the energy all year that was able to help his team be successful through what hes able to do. I think Im a very intellectual player, someone who can read defenses well, offenses well, and adapt very quickly. Being able to adapt to whatever situation Im in. Im able to mold myself into anything I need to be.

    Primo has the right mindset and vision to be end up being one of the biggest steals in his class.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si....oungest-player
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    Worth mentioning again that he was supposed to be a high school senior this last year. Instead he was playing college.
    one way to view it is that we drafted the first high school player since 2006.

    we never drafted those kind of projects in our golden era, this should be fun to see if he becomes TMac or Jonathan Bender.

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    Hes a basketball savant that is the same age as an essentially straight from high school prospect. There was another notable prodigious high school age player taken for his potential around 12 in the 90s.

    Are we convinced Sengun or Moody was the key to this orgs future? Time will tell. I liked Sengun but teams are privy to so much more in the way of workouts and meetings that I wont pretend to know something they dont.

    The shock of this will pass. As the dust has settled, circling back to primo and doing a more in depth dive on him, its clear why this pick was made. He was the orgs best chance at a franchise altering talent in the first round of this draft and Im confident time will bear that out.

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    These quotes are the most telling for me:

    He knows that this is an advantage for him and looks forward to the challenge. Being the intelligent young player that he is, Primo understands how impactful playing with professionals will be from a development standpoint.

    The best part about it is knowing that Im going to learn so much at this age that Im at right now, said the Alabama prospect. Being able to come into the league and learn those things first hand that I might not have learned going back an extra year. I know that at 21 or 22, Im going to be a lot better off for this. Ill have that much more knowledge.

    By the time Primo is 25, hell be an NBA veteran with upwards of seven years of experience. To the right team, that makes him as attractive as nearly any prospect.
    With that in mind, being the youngest guy on the court isnt anything new to Primo.

    He represented Canada in the 2019 FIBA Under-19 Basketball World Cup at just 16 years old as the youngest player on the team. Additionally, in both high school and AAU basketball, he frequently played with guys many years older than him.

    Primo considers playing up as something thats helped him get to where he is now and will prepare him for the NBA.

    I think it was one of the biggest pieces for myself. Ive always played up, whether its one, two, or three years up. I came into it giving everything I have, knowing Im a basketball player and so is everyone else. Coming into every situation doing what I know how to do I think gives you that type of confidence that you can play in any situation. Youre able to adapt.

    https://www.si.com/nba/thunder/draft...oungest-player

    He always plays up. It's no wonder he wanted to play for the Spurs. He's seeking knowledge at every step of the way.

    I've always said basketball is as much of a mental game as it is physical, if not more.

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    Everything depends on his work ethic, he's behind other prospects right now but he can cover that ground if he's dedicated enough on and off the court. Too soon to say anything, too many variables

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    I look forward to watching him in SL, theres not a lot of video on him. Share if you do find.
    The thread is long and I dont know if this one was posted.

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    You can tell hes from the generation of kids that grew up watching steph in that shot form.

    highly recommend checking out the combine scrimmage in its entirety if you havent already. Shows more on ball potential and is essentially his teams primary ball handler.

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    You can tell he’s from the generation of kids that grew up watching steph in that shot form.

    highly recommend checking out the combine scrimmage in its entirety if you haven’t already. Shows more on ball potential and is essentially his teams primary ball handler.
    Yes, the scrimmage is the best source for getting an idea of his upside. The next best will be the upcoming summer league. His college tape is lackadaisical in seeing what he’s capable of. Really hidden by senior players.

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    I look forward to watching him in SL, theres not a lot of video on him. Share if you do find.
    The thread is long and I dont know if this one was posted.
    If you want more than one hour of Primo, here we go lol


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    You can tell he’s from the generation of kids that grew up watching steph in that shot form.

    highly recommend checking out the combine scrimmage in its entirety if you haven’t already. Shows more on ball potential and is essentially his teams primary ball handler.
    Can you link me where it is. I did a quick search and the only thing I found was a snippet of him doing shooting drills at the combine.

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    He’s saying the right things but also sounds like he’s expecting to impact the game at the pro level for his rookie year. That’s what I’m reading from his comments. I hope he isn’t put off by having to play in Austin. Surely he understands that it’s probably a 2 year plan to becoming a rotation player on the main squad.

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    He’s saying the right things but also sounds like he’s expecting to impact the game at the pro level for his rookie year. That’s what I’m reading from his comments. I hope he isn’t put off by having to play in Austin. Surely he understands that it’s probably a 2 year plan to becoming a rotation player on the main squad.
    While I’m hoping it won’t take 2 years he did play a limited role for Alabama so I think he will be fine if he does get assigned to the Gleague. Seems like a very coachable player.

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    Grim short term out look with your highest pick in a while needing two years in the minors

    I guess we knew that

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    I would hold off on assuming he won’t play nice minutes with the big squad....... I think they want him as our point guard

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    These quotes are the most telling for me:

    He knows that this is an advantage for him and looks forward to the challenge. Being the intelligent young player that he is, Primo understands how impactful playing with professionals will be from a development standpoint.

    Thank you Dejounte for all the information to collected and shared! Thank you for your insight and basketball wisdom! I'm all in and I trust the FO!

    “The best part about it is knowing that I’m going to learn so much at this age that I’m at right now,” said the Alabama prospect. “Being able to come into the league and learn those things first hand that I might not have learned going back an extra year. I know that at 21 or 22, I’m going to be a lot better off for this. I’ll have that much more knowledge.”

    By the time Primo is 25, he’ll be an NBA veteran with upwards of seven years of experience. To the right team, that makes him as attractive as nearly any prospect.
    With that in mind, being the youngest guy on the court isn’t anything new to Primo.

    He represented Canada in the 2019 FIBA Under-19 Basketball World Cup at just 16 years old as the youngest player on the team. Additionally, in both high school and AAU basketball, he frequently played with guys many years older than him.

    Primo considers playing up as something that’s helped him get to where he is now and will prepare him for the NBA.

    “I think it was one of the biggest pieces for myself. I’ve always played up, whether it’s one, two, or three years up. I came into it giving everything I have, knowing I’m a basketball player and so is everyone else. Coming into every situation doing what I know how to do I think gives you that type of confidence that you can play in any situation. You’re able to adapt.”

    https://www.si.com/nba/thunder/draft...oungest-player

    He always plays up. It's no wonder he wanted to play for the Spurs. He's seeking knowledge at every step of the way.

    I've always said basketball is as much of a mental game as it is physical, if not more.

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    Not sure if this was posted here or not:

    [Marks, via the Lowe Post] "I got a couple texts from GMs saying if not for the Spurs, we'd be getting lambasted right now" in reference to how mock drafts don't always align with teams' interests
    seems to confirm he was going to be taken in the lottery or just outside of it

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