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    My hot take is he'll be between Vassell's timeline and Keldon's timeline.

    Vassell found playing time with the main team 1/4 through his first season.

    Keldon found playing time with the main team 3/4 through his first season, and became a starter in his second season.

    Talent finds a way. And IF Primo knows how to "sacrifice" and learn to play within a team concept as a role player immediately, he could find consistent playing time early.

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    As much as I’d like to see him on the big squad, my guess is the best thing for his development is to get minutes as a primary scorer/ball handler in Austin for a good part of the season. If he were to play in SA early, he’d probably be stuck in the corner a lot.

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    You can tell heís from the generation of kids that grew up watching steph in that shot form.

    highly recommend checking out the combine scrimmage in its entirety if you havenít already. Shows more on ball potential and is essentially his teams primary ball handler.
    About 40 seconds into this interview, you also see some of things he showed that intrigues. (About 1:20 of highlights).



    The ability to play on and off the ball is there. He makes that one handed whip pass across the baseline too, like he did in the scrimmage, a staple of the Spurs hammer play.

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    About 40 seconds into this interview, you also see some of things he showed that intrigues. (About 1:20 of highlights).



    The ability to play on and off the ball is there. He makes that one handed whip pass across the baseline too, like he did in the scrimmage, a staple of the Spurs hammer play.
    That hammer play baseline pass makes me miss Boris Diaw, that pass used to be automatic, or if the defense overplayed it he'd just use his body and do a little reverse layup.

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    Heís saying the right things but also sounds like heís expecting to impact the game at the pro level for his rookie year. Thatís what Iím reading from his comments. I hope he isnít put off by having to play in Austin. Surely he understands that itís probably a 2 year plan to becoming a rotation player on the main squad.
    He might play right away. Even If itís off the bench. This team doesnít have enough shooting and may lose 2 of the teams best in Mills and Gay. I think he has a chance to play.

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    And IF Primo knows how to "sacrifice" and learn to play within a team concept as a role player immediately, he could find consistent playing time early.
    Primo's role at Alabama leads me to believe that this could easily happen. He seems to know when to defer and when to take over, and is willing to do either as cir stances dictate.

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    Not sure if this was posted here or not:



    seems to confirm he was going to be taken in the lottery or just outside of it
    Thatís a good quote but I think itís in reference to other questionable picks. I thought the Grizzlies moves weee extremely risky and they took a guy that could have been there at 17 anyways. Ziaire has more upside but may also very well bust. Grizzlies will be worse in the short term without JV and they helped a division rival improve!

    GSW ended up with one guy Kuminga who is a specimen of tools alone, low BBIQ, canít shoot, and awful defensively. Heís years away and not who they wanted at 7.

    Thereís a few GM that ended up with questionable fits like Davion Mitc to Sacramento.

    But the Spurs took the cake with a massive reach of a guy they likely could have taken later and traded down for. Itís unknown though and teams surprise you with picks all the time so they werenít willing to take that risk, but they got the most heat for their pick.

    Itís possible Primo was rising too, bit if he went outside the lottery and after Sengun and Moody were gone the reach is minor, not even that questionable.

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    Thatís a good quote but I think itís in reference to other questionable picks. I thought the Grizzlies moves weee extremely risky and they took a guy that could have been there at 17 anyways. Ziaire has more upside but may also very well bust. Grizzlies will be worse in the short term without JV and they helped a division rival improve!

    GSW ended up with one guy Kuminga who is a specimen of tools alone, low BBIQ, canít shoot, and awful defensively. Heís years away and not who they wanted at 7.

    Thereís a few GM that ended up with questionable fits like Davion Mitc to Sacramento.

    But the Spurs took the cake with a massive reach of a guy they likely could have taken later and traded down for. Itís unknown though and teams surprise you with picks all the time so they werenít willing to take that risk, but they got the most heat for their pick.

    Itís possible Primo was rising too, bit if he went outside the lottery and after Sengun and Moody were gone the reach is minor, not even that questionable.
    Couple pudnits had Primo top 20 after the combine and the most likely teams to take him outside the spurs were picking after the spurs. I fully believe he would not have lasted into the 20s, just as much as some believe he was a late first( most of who never saw a minute of his game). The kid was 17 playing basketball in the SEC. Became a starting point and the team turned into a winning team. At 17. He should have been a senior in high school but was helping a SEC team turn their season around.

    Has what looks to be above average to elite shooting beyond the arc, the most valued commodity in the game today. Has above average size for a PG and above average athleticism.

    All accounts that have spoken with him point out his intelligence and knowledge of the game And his ability to adapt it to his play.
    At 18.

    At 16 he was running with a national team.
    At 16.

    When people take the time to actually diagnose the kid, what he has to offer, and what he has accomplished, he was not a massive reach or even a reach at all.

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    Couple pudnits had Primo top 20 after the combine and the most likely teams to take him outside the spurs were picking after the spurs. I fully believe he would not have lasted into the 20s, just as much as some believe he was a late first( most of who never saw a minute of his game). The kid was 17 playing basketball in the SEC. Became a starting point and the team turned into a winning team. At 17. He should have been a senior in high school but was helping a SEC team turn their season around.

    Has what looks to be above average to elite shooting beyond the arc, the most valued commodity in the game today. Has above average size for a PG and above average athleticism.

    All accounts that have spoken with him point out his intelligence and knowledge of the game And his ability to adapt it to his play.
    At 18.

    At 16 he was running with a national team.
    At 16.

    When people take the time to actually diagnose the kid, what he has to offer, and what he has accomplished, he was not a massive reach or even a reach at all.
    Not debating his qualities I’ve been here asking for info about him. I am trying to get familiar with his game.

    Rather it’s revisionist to say a team right after was taking him. We don’t know and it’s unlikely. They could have and that’s why the Spurs jumped up and grabbed him at 12. Only time will tell if this will pan out. I was talking about a few very questionable moves from other teams that this perceived reach by the Spurs took the heat from. Do you understand my point? Bc you are arguing completely different points.

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    He might play right away. Even If itís off the bench. This team doesnít have enough shooting and may lose 2 of the teams best in Mills and Gay. I think he has a chance to play.
    He basically played a year of college early. Heís essentially a high school kid with one year college experience. What was the last player at his age to have any impact on the game or crack a serious rotation at that age? Maybe Bron?

    I always want a good look at our rookies but with this pick being so out there Iíd rather they just bring him along as slowly and patiently as they need to. They can take their time. Weíre not winning next year barring a miracle offseason.

    They could take nearly 3 years grooming this kid before he has his first legal drink. So I suppose thatís good. Heís got all the time in the world and this team doesnít even really have a window or timeline that would create any sense of urgency.

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    While the Spurs' scouting ability should still get the benefit of the doubt in my opinion, I don't think their developmental ability should. I don't know that they've done an above-average job with a player in a long time. So no, I don't think the idea of drafting Samanic as a two-year d-league project or stowing Primo away is a good idea. That's not the way most teams develop their top prospects, and it shouldn't be the way a team with such a lack of talent does so either. Doing so suggests the team is still a contender that has a full 10-man rotation and can't afford to give minutes to developmental players. That's not even close to true anymore. Devin Booker stared 51 games and averaged 28 minutes his rookie season despite being 18 years old when the season started. Giannis was starting two weeks after his 19th birthday. If you don't think Primo is good enough to unseat ing Tre Jones, you can't draft him at 12. You just can't. Samanic should've been in the running for starting PF going into last year. Nothing about Lyles or that goddamned tiny hydra lineup should've stopped him.
    I am 100 % on board with this thought. I think he can contribute shooting right away, which the team needs, and if they were to feel that they donít have a spot available the they need to swing a trade. But right now, possibly the best outcome is letting Mills go and going all in with the BPA at 12 that you just drafted and let him earn reps and time from there.

    100% agree that for a lottery team, itís not the same than a playoff team drafting for a niche and letting that player get reps and play situationally (when there are injuries) until he ďearns it.Ē

    They need to bake that in to their draft prognostications. A poster above you just mentioned this fact. What is his upside? For us to see him in 2 years put up 8 and 3 off the bench? Surely not.
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    He isn't ready yet SA Girl. Our second round pick is though.

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    He basically played a year of college early. He’s essentially a high school kid with one year college experience. What was the last player at his age to have any impact on the game or crack a serious rotation at that age? Maybe Bron?

    I always want a good look at our rookies but with this pick being so out there I’d rather they just bring him along as slowly and patiently as they need to. They can take their time. We’re not winning next year barring a miracle offseason.

    They could take nearly 3 years grooming this kid before he has his first legal drink. So I suppose that’s good. He’s got all the time in the world and this team doesn’t even really have a window or timeline that would create any sense of urgency.
    He will get better with time, just like the following players have: Devin Booker, Giannis, Jaren Jackson Jr. I am sure there are others, but these are high profile enough that I remember.

    One issue I have with stashing in the Gleague your lottery picks is a point that Chinook makes and I quoted ahead of this reply. The team isn’t good enough to be stashing guys. What’s worth a gamble on a lottery pick if he’s in the gleague 2 years? That’s a question of perceived ceiling. What’s a lottery pick to the team that won’t contribute to the team minutes for a full year or two, and then at that point needs to be brought in with baby steps? That’s ok for the Spurs when they had a full rotation of veterans that were in win now mode, and those development players played rest games for Manu and Tony, when there were injuries, etc.

    The Spurs are no longer good enough to take two years developing guys.

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    He can finish with both hands, his 3pt shot has a consistent wonderful arc to it...looks good. I hope he pans out.

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    Video won't allow it to be embed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwzzNYnJczY

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    The only thing Murray posted was him smiling in a photo and smiley emojis

    somehow SpursTalk is equating that as ďdisapprovalĒ

    thatís a huge leap and itís misinformation thatís spreading like wildfire because you literally have pages and pages of people talking about it like itís truth.
    It was a cringing face and cringe emoji

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    What's wrong with the g-league and long development cycles?

    Putting Primo in the g-league is part of the process.

    It's especially important if he's ready to play now.

    He has to be broken down, lose his swag, and start doubting every move he makes on the court. He needs to start looking over his shoulder at the bench to see if he's being subbed, several times a possession.

    Then he'll get a couple of games opportunity, and if he performs well, then Pop will talk him up post game with praise about how he's earned more opportunities and is forcing himself into minutes.

    Then he'll get the DNP-CD and feel completely crushed, an empty s of a player that can only doubt himself and realize that nothing means anything.

    That's when he'll have gotten over himself. And he'll get chances the next year.

    But the good news is that next year's draft will bring a new 6-5 lottery pick to watch in the g-league.

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    He will get better with time, just like the following players have: Devin Booker, Giannis, Jaren Jackson Jr. I am sure there are others, but these are high profile enough that I remember.

    One issue I have with stashing in the Gleague your lottery picks is a point that Chinook makes and I quoted ahead of this reply. The team isn’t good enough to be stashing guys. What’s worth a gamble on a lottery pick if he’s in the gleague 2 years? That’s a question of perceived ceiling. What’s a lottery pick to the team that won’t contribute to the team minutes for a full year or two, and then at that point needs to be brought in with baby steps? That’s ok for the Spurs when they had a full rotation of veterans that were in win now mode, and those development players played rest games for Manu and Tony, when there were injuries, etc.

    The Spurs are no longer good enough to take two years developing guys.
    It’s never been a problem here but you can absolutely ruin a player by playing him too soon. I actually think Lonnie would have been a good example of that. He would have been blown off the court if he played his first couple seasons on most other teams.

    His pace defensively and ability to move off ball are light years ahead of his rookie year. He just needed to develop around players that moved at his own level of play with a few sniffs of the next level.

    If Lonnie becomes anything here or on another team it’ll be because our team was patient for two years while he came around and learned how to play beyond playground ball.

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    the spurs vaunted player development is simply not adding any bad habits, not forcing them to be chucker, and letting guys play off Manu making them look better than they are. obv the last factor is expired which is why the strategy is less effective.

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    They (Wieskamp and Primo) were also reported to have workouts with the Spurs so thatís a key thing to lookout for in future pre-draft speculation. It was out in the open. Not very secret.
    I remember reading from you specifically that it was your personal preference to not even look up at point guard prospects because you believed they werenít looking for one because it takes Pop so long to train a PG to run the offense he wants and you just didnít think theyíd look to replace DJ.

    Part of what stunned is not the reach alone, but what drew them to this kid was that he showed passing and dribbling abilities at the combine that he didnít show at Alabama. They see him as a PG prospect who can already shoot well, has good size and will likely grow some, and who has a very high character.

    If they had seen him just as a shooter he would for surely not have gone 12, he would have gone in the 25-35 range like he was initially mocked just based on past production.

    More TO than assists in college, itís definitely not without question, but him being a super young PG prospect that can shoot is what bumped him up their charts to BPA when they picked.

    How do you feel about that? Bc I know that wasnít your personal preference.

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    They havenít called him a PG. theyíve noted that heís played PG in spurts, which lines up with their post draft comments (and even some comments from todayís interview) that theyíre looking for versatile players: players who can pass, players who can shoot, players who can defend multiple positions. Thatís what they value. I recently posted a tweet that had Wright today regarding this.

    Primo is as much as a PG as Lonnie is.

    itís hard to go by quotes in snippets. I recommend listening to full interviews for context.
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    Do you understand my point? Bc you are arguing completely different points.
    Huh?

    I presented a counter to your point on Primo being a massive reach, as clearly stated. I literally argued word for word a point you brought up.
    Primo was not a massive reach based on the information provided.

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    Imagine how good he's going to look after playing his first FOUR seasons in Austin!

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