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    I saw him wearing the # 77 shirt because of his 'snub' of the 75th anniversary of the NBA. I think he's a nice player and would definitely love to have him on my team, but I just can't stand the fact that he gets so overrated. Granted: a top 5 shooter of all time. Does that make him one of the greatest ever? Discuss.

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    Luka wears #77 all the time. Does that makes him overrated aswell?

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    Yes for him to think he is in the top 75 for his limited run band waggoning with the Warriors is a joke.

    The whining about how it was only because of the injury that Toronto won in 2019, please.
    He got nearly 40 minutes in almost every game.
    The injuries to opponents, the WarriorRef, the Durant puss out all drastically take down their phony *dynasty. Toronto combined with the Lebron Cavs beating them forever puts their other *Championships in perspective.

    Super good role player, shooter on a tv network team.

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    Dennis Rodman is even more overrated.

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    Nope, Rodman is

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    I saw him wearing the # 77 shirt because of his 'snub' of the 75th anniversary of the NBA. I think he's a nice player and would definitely love to have him on my team, but I just can't stand the fact that he gets so overrated. Granted: a top 5 shooter of all time. Does that make him one of the greatest ever? Discuss.
    1) no hes not overrated at all, if anything hes arguably underappreciated. maybe not top 75 great but still a fantastic player

    2) his team gave him that shirt as a joke
    Last edited by Neo.; 10-25-2021 at 11:03 AM.

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    Yes for him to think he is in the top 75 for his limited run band waggoning with the Warriors is a joke.

    The whining about how it was only because of the injury that Toronto won in 2019, please.
    He got nearly 40 minutes in almost every game.
    The injuries to opponents, the WarriorRef, the Durant puss out all drastically take down their phony *dynasty. Toronto combined with the Lebron Cavs beating them forever puts their other *Championships in perspective.

    Super good role player, shooter on a tv network team.
    not sure how you can dismiss their accomplishments based on injuries to opponents, then credit the loss to toronto as something to put their championships in perspective, after they lost their #1 and #3 guy

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    not sure how you can dismiss their accomplishments based on injuries to opponents, then credit the loss to toronto as something to put their championships in perspective, after they lost their #1 and #3 guy
    True, fair to say GS without colluding Durant thus their #2 guy out. Curry is easily the #1 Dub and along with WarriorRef how Durbetta got such wide open shots. #3 Thompson played all but one quarter of that series.

    Beyond that, easy.
    Golden got 2015 opponents had key players out the entire series. Kyrie Irving blows his knee in what, game 1? Or was it before the series even began? 2015 i think every single opponent had a key injury.

    2019 gots had Thompson for all but a quarter or so of the final game. Toronto ran them off the court on the way to a 3-1 lead with Thompson at full strength.

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    2019 gots had Thompson for all but a quarter or so of the final game. Toronto ran them off the court on the way to a 3-1 lead with Thompson at full strength.
    not true at all. he had been dealing with lingering injuries, left early in game 2 and missed game 3

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    not true at all. he had been dealing with lingering injuries, left early in game 2 and missed game 3
    Game 3 out, my bad. Yes that effected them
    Game 2, 32 minutes. BooHoo he had to leave early. Kwa Leonard was out there battling with a degenerative quad.

    Bottom line yes, Toronto was effected by Thompsons missing a game and Durbetta being all but out.
    With their depth and ref pampering, ZERO sympathy from me. None. They finally had to deal with a fraction of what their opponents had to deal with and got exposed again.

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    Bottom line yes, Toronto was effected by Thompsons missing a game and Durbetta being all but out.
    this is correct

    With their depth and ref pampering, ZERO sympathy from me. None. They finally had to deal with a fraction of what their opponents had to deal with and got exposed again.
    no one asked for sympathy. injuries are simply part of the game, as much as it sucks and can alter outcomes. point is, its illogical to knock them for winning against teams that were affected by injuries, then give other teams full credit for beating them when they were severely affected by injuries.

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    this is correct



    no one asked for sympathy. injuries are simply part of the game, as much as it sucks and can alter outcomes. point is, its illogical to knock them for winning against teams that were affected by injuries, then give other teams full credit for beating them when they were severely affected by injuries.
    It's not apples to apples.
    Throw in the ref pampering, collusion (whatever, call it you wish) of Durbetta.

    But again concede the Dubs had absolutely seized momentum in Game 6 and Klaynus was a huge part of that.

    To say they would have won for sure is nonsense. Kwa Leonard had show he was just as capable of going on a tear.

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    To say they would have won for sure is nonsense. Kwa Leonard had show he was just as capable of going on a tear.
    so what about the teams they beat that had dealt with injuries? would they have won for sure if they were healthy?

    hm sounds like more nonsense tbqhfwiwimhoiirc

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    Good shooter
    Benefits from being on a good team
    No where near as good a defender as portrayed

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    ^ Probably.
    Lebron was playing out of his mind Tim Duncan levels in 2015. He was the Finals MVP.

    2017 the super rigged call to pamper Durant to the FT line with under a minute to go was literally a game changer. Of course JR Dumb sealed that deal.
    Lebron broke his hand slamming it in the locker room afterwords.

    2018 i think the Collusion Dubs win for sure even vs a healthy Cavs team.

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    The top 75/76:
    1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    2. Ray Allen
    3. Giannis Antetokounmpo
    4. Carmelo Anthony
    5. Nate Archibald
    6. Paul Arizin
    7. Charles Barkley
    8. Rick Barry
    9. Elgin Baylor
    10. Dave Bing
    11. Larry Bird
    12. Kobe Bryant
    13. Wilt Chamberlain
    14. Bob Cousy
    15. Dave Cowens
    16. Billy Cunningham
    17. Stephen Curry
    18. Anthony Davis
    19. Dave DeBusschere
    20. Clyde Drexler
    21. Tim Duncan
    22. Kevin Durant
    23. Julius Erving
    24. Patrick Ewing
    25. Walt Frazier
    26. Kevin Garnett
    27. George Gervin
    28. Hal Greer
    29. James Harden
    30. John Havlicek
    31. Elvin Hayes
    32. Allen Iverson
    33. LeBron James
    34. Magic Johnson
    35. Sam Jones
    36. Michael Jordan
    37. Jason Kidd
    38. Kawhi Leonard
    39. Damian Lillard
    40. Jerry Lucas
    41. Karl Malone
    42. Moses Malone
    43. Pete Maravich
    44. Bob McAdoo
    45. Kevin McHale
    46. George Mikan
    47. Reggie Miller
    48. Earl Monroe
    49. Steve Nash
    50. Dirk Nowitzki
    51. Hakeem Olajuwon
    52. Shaquille O'Neal
    53. Robert Parish
    54. Chris Paul
    55. Gary Payton
    56. Bob Pet
    57. Paul Pierce
    58. Scottie Pippen
    59. Willis Reed
    60. Oscar Robertson
    61. David Robinson
    62. Dennis Rodman
    63. Bill Russell
    64. Dolph Schayes
    65. Bill Sharman
    66. John Stockton
    67. Isiah Thomas
    68. Nate Thurmond
    69. Wes Unseld
    70. Dwyane Wade
    71. Bill Walton
    72. Jerry West
    73. Russell Westbrook
    74. Lenny Wilkens
    75. Dominique Wilkins
    76. James Worthy

    I know they left the top 50 in and not bumped anybody out, but a few that I felt should be left, even after taking into their historical significance into account, are:
    4. Carmelo Anthony - If Bernard King didn't make it, Melo shouldn't
    6. Paul Arizin - Early pioneer, but his team never had much success with him at the helm
    10. Dave Bing - A Chauncey Billiups type of guy, and Billups didn't make it (nor should he)
    39. Damian Lillard - Too early, maybe in a few years, and his defense left a lot to be desired
    62. Dennis Rodman - the best defender in NBA history, but he did it only for a few years with Detroit. The Bulls years really overrated him. I'd take Ben Wallace over him. And it's not like defensive specialists get recognized, nobody will ever think of putting Michael Cooper or Bruce Bowen
    65. Bill Sharman - One of those players overrated due to the Celtics dynasty
    71. Bill Walton - Too injured, too long. If he made it, Derrick Rose should have make it

    Some i think should have made it over the ones above (in the following order, so English wouldn't make it in the top 75.
    T-Mac
    Vince Carter
    MVPau
    Ginobili
    Shawn Kemp
    Sidney Moncrief
    Alex English

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    Chris Paul?

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    Klay is underrated

    One of the best shooters of all time and also a great defensive player tbh (except vs Kyrie, but that brother can cook anyone 1 on 1 tbh)

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    Steve Nash is. 2 MVPs for a white midget because he could dribble and pass well, but got blown by even the end of bench plumbers on defense every time he was on the floor.

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    Never seen a sports league backstab its history to pimp today's product for TV ratings like the NBA. Quarter of those guys will just get replaced by the new shiny thing coming up

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    1) no hes not overrated at all, if anything hes arguably underappreciated. maybe not top 75 great but still a fantastic player

    2) his team gave him that shirt as a joke
    He's highly overrated (as most catch all metrics bare out) and overappreciated because of the media's obsession with the Warriors. They act like he's some lovable superstar, when in reality he's a complimentary fringe star who doesn't rank among the top snubs for NBA 75.

    The fact that he has five All-Star selections to Ginobili's two, despite having no credible argument for being the same caliber of player, is an embarrassment.

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    They act like he's some lovable superstar, when in reality he's a complimentary fringe star who doesn't rank among the top snubs for NBA 75.
    i havent really seen anyone act like this at all. certainly not the majority. most people know hes simply a fantastic role player, whos contributions are often overlooked because of steph, kd and dray

    The fact that he has five All-Star selections to Ginobili's two, despite having no credible argument for being the same caliber of player, is an embarrassment.
    well considering ginobilis stats were inferior, he frequently dealt with injury issues, and averaged 8 less mpg for his career, there is a very credible argument

    but making more all star teams doesnt make klay a better basketball player, i think anyone who legit knows basketball can see that ginobili is maybe the most underappreciated player of all time and among the more skilled guards the league has ever seen

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    Steve Nash is. 2 MVPs for a white midget because he could dribble and pass well, but got blown by even the end of bench plumbers on defense every time he was on the floor.
    Steve Nash was real deal. For his size he gave the Spurs fits. He was tough as nails, didn't quit in games. I'd take him any day over some of these ing pussies of today, and Carmelo can off.

    Klay isn't overrated. If you think he is just look at how the Warriors did last year. He's half of probably the best back court tandem in the history of the game.

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    i havent really seen anyone act like this at all. certainly not the majority. most people know hes simply a fantastic role player, whos contributions are often overlooked because of steph, kd and dray



    well considering ginobilis stats were inferior, he frequently dealt with injury issues, and averaged 8 less mpg for his career, there is a very credible argument

    but making more all star teams doesnt make klay a better basketball player, i think anyone who legit knows basketball can see that ginobili is maybe the most underappreciated player of all time and among the more skilled guards the league has ever seen
    Seriously? You'd be hard pressed to watch, listen or reed to any mainstream NBA related context and not have heard this ad nauseam.

    Except his catch all metrics easily eclipsed Thompson's and even before they were widespread, head coaches should have known his value went far beyond the counting stats that were supressed for obvious reasons.

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    Manu is probably a 1st ballot HOFer. That's not underrated and yeah a lot of that is international play, but it's still Manu. In the NBA he is only underrated by other teams' fans, certainly not by other players.

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