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    Arizona election official: Unchecked Cyber Ninjas use alarming 'audit' rules to count votes
    We follow sensible rules that inspire confidence in fairness and accuracy. We should be skeptical of results from the Cyber Ninjas, who are unchecked.
    Stephen Richer - Opinion contributor

    In the months since Arizona Senate President Karen Fann launched her audit of the 2020 election, it has become clear there are different rules for different auditors.

    There are rules that Maricopa County election administrators must follow, and there are far less demanding rules for the Cyber Ninjas conducting Fann’s audit. Here are examples:

    How ballot counters are selected

    Maricopa County: After every election, Maricopa County is required by law to oversee a hand-count audit of a statistically significant number of votes. For the November 2020 election, the hand-count of 47,000 votes matched the machine count 100% – the machines clearly worked. The volunteers who do the hand count are selected by the political parties, not the county. The volunteers work in groups of three, and all of the groups are required by law to be bipartisan.

    Cyber Ninjas: The Cyber Ninjas have recruited their hand-counters almost exclusively from the Republican Party. The Cyber Ninjas counting teams are not bipartisan.

    How candidates participate

    Maricopa County: Throughout the election, candidates are prohibited from entering the tabulation room. Candidates cannot participate in the county’s hand-count.

    Cyber Ninjas: The Cyber Ninjas counting teams included one former Republican state legislator who ran on the very ballots being audited. The Ninjas staff also includes members of former President Donald Trump’s campaign team, and tours of the auditing area are regularly given to Republican elected officials.

    How races are examined

    Maricopa County: For the county’s hand-count audit, the examined races selected are chosen randomly.

    Cyber Ninjas: The Cyber Ninjas are only counting two races: the presidential and the U.S. Senate – both races in which the Democratic challenger beat the Republican in bent.

    What qualifies auditors to participate

    Maricopa County: All county election officers must attend a two-week educational program and pass a written test. Many county managers also obtain CERA (Certified Elections Registration Administrator) certification by completing months of additional professional education with the Elections Center’s National Association of Election Officials. Several of the county’s employees have more than 20 years of election experience.

    Cyber Ninjas: Prior to Fann’s audit, the Cyber Ninjas had never before conducted any type of election audit. The Ninjas’ only subcontractor with any election audit experience – a group called Wake TSI – quit midway through Fann’s audit, and had only conducted one previous audit of 1,000 ballots.

    What drives the audit's methodology

    Maricopa County: For its hand count and other operations, Maricopa County uses methodologies derived from state law and designed by experienced, qualified, educated experts who are widely recognized by the elections community.

    Cyber Ninjas: Fann’s audit has relied on the ideas of Jovan Pulitzer. Pulitzer is a failed inventor who has changed his legal name multiple times and has spent years of his life searching for the Ark of the Covenant and for a magical sword in Nova Scotia. His marquee invention – the CueCat – was deemed by Time Magazine as one of “The 50 Worst Inventions” in the world. Nonetheless, because of Pulitzer’s theories, Fann’s audit has spent weeks looking for mysterious folds and bamboo fibers in ballots to see if the ballots fraudulently came from China (the county’s ballots are printed in Arizona and never leave the state).

    How the audit is funded

    Maricopa County: The state Legislature recently passed a law that bans all private funding of elections. Previously, any private funds received by the county were publicly announced, subject to public comment, voted on by the county’s supervisors, and the dollar amounts were publicly disclosed. Private funding made up approximately 8% of the county’s 2020 elections budget. County officials must disclose any direct funds received and are subject to bribery laws.

    Cyber Ninjas: Fann’s audit will likely cost more than $2 million, but the total amount has not been disclosed. Of that sum, $150,000 comes from the state Senate. The rest is being raised from private donors. Most of the donors are anonymous, but the donor list is known to include Lin Wood and Sidney Powell, two conspiracy theorists who previously served as legal counsel for President Trump’s election efforts.

    How much access the media is given

    Maricopa County: During the election, Maricopa County gives the same open access to all credentialed members of the media. The county complies with all lawful public records requests.

    Cyber Ninjas: The Cyber Ninjas have given the pro-Trump outfit One America News Network special, exclusive access throughout the entirety of Fann’s audit, while other members of the media have been relegated to the distant bleachers at the coliseum. The Cyber Ninjas have stated that they do not have to comply with public records requests.

    How results are disclosed

    Maricopa County: In a statewide election, Arizona law prohibits the release of results prior to 8 p.m. on Election Day.

    Cyber Ninjas: Before completing their work in Arizona, several of the key players of Fann’s audit, including Logan, appeared in a conspiracy theory movie led “Deep Rig,” which supposedly confirms that the 2020 election had been stolen – the very thing Fann’s audit is supposed to be still investigating. The film’s director previously made a movie about extraterrestrial involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks.

    How quickly results must be tabulated

    Maricopa County: In a general election, Maricopa County must be done with the tabulation of all ballots and the hand-count audit within 20 days of Election Day, per state law.

    Cyber Ninjas: The county had all ballots and tabulation equipment loaded and ready for delivery to Senator Fann on March 2. The Cyber Ninjas originally announced that they would be done with the ballots on May 14. Then they moved their deadline to June 30. The work is still ongoing.

    The rules for Maricopa County are meant to ensure expert, nonpartisan administration of the county’s election. They are good rules. They promote confidence in the process.

    The Cyber Ninjas are unchecked by sensible rules that promote accuracy and fairness. This is extremely troubling. Whatever the Ninjas ultimately produce should be greeted with extreme skepticism.


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    Republican Stephen Richer (@stephen_richer) unseated the in bent Democrat in the November 2020 election for Maricopa County Recorder, an office that maintains over 2.6 million voter files and helps run elections.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...na/7931047002/

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    no morals derps looking for a fabricated W any way they can scheme it.

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    the cYbEr-nInJaS are Republican authorized, funded and staffed.

    the partisan recount was always going to vary. only suspense that remains is as to the quality of the inevitable bull .

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...819_story.html

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    All about political theater and nothing changing.

    Only AZ would conduct repeated audits and expect different results.

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    Only AZ would conduct repeated audits and expect different results.
    can't agree with you on that, there will be copycats.

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    can't agree with you on that, there will be copycats.
    You think another state will out do the cyber ninjas?

    You expect a “hold my beer” one-upmanship audit with all the cyber ninja craziness?

    I would be shocked!


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    You think another state will out do the cyber ninjas?

    You expect a “hold my beer” one-upmanship audit with all the cyber ninja craziness?

    I would be shocked!

    other states have sent Reps to observe the AZ fraudit, PA in particular has been making noises about doing their own.

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    Sorry this is happening to ya's

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    All about political theater and nothing changing.

    Only AZ would conduct repeated audits and expect different results.
    They did, what? two or three official re-tallies before this.

    It seems obvious to me that only result this "audit" is shooting for is altering the outcome by any means necessary, disregarding fairness or even legality.

    The core of modern conservatism is dishonesty, and violence.

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    Sorry this is happening to ya's
    Should partisan re-counts that are obviously attempting to overturn a fair election be a normal thing?

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    Sorry this is happening to ya's
    Oh look, this guy is afraid to have an actual opinion on the topic again and just wants to paw at other posters.

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    other states have sent Reps to observe the AZ fraudit, PA in particular has been making noises about doing their own.
    PA would really need to out do the cyber ninjas’ production of “Auditnado” for me to be impressed.

    None of this hiring of a real forensics audit teams with experience, as that would not be worthy of anyone’s attention.

    If PA came up with a SciFi channel show worthy of the le “Auditnado 2 - the Other One,” only then would I concede being shocked.

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    Sorry this is happening to ya's
    Sorry this is happening to you too...

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    good, this way the audit won't be accepted and nothing will change

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    Should partisan re-counts that are obviously attempting to overturn a fair election be a normal thing?
    Find some cope

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    I still wanna know what the point of those spinning tables they’re using are.

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    Audit to be investigated


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    Audit to be investigated

    This is going straight to court, and the Congressional subpoena power is going to be tested again. This time against a private company.

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    There’s about a 2% chance these cyber ninja Q s have remained independent during this whole process and haven’t had any clandestine communications with Trump, Kelli Ward, etc.

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    There’s about a 2% chance these cyber ninja Q s have remained independent during this whole process and haven’t had any clandestine communications with Trump, Kelli Ward, etc.
    +1

    The purpose of this fraudit is pretty clear.

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    Should partisan re-counts that are obviously attempting to overturn a fair election be a normal thing?
    Find some cope
    At some point, you are going to have to figure out how to teach your offspring morals, and critical thinking.

    You are not every good at either, tbh.

    Be kind, be fair, be honest is what I came up with at guiding principles for evaluating ethics.

    You have demonstrated a lack of understanding of logical fallacies repeatedly here, that appears due to some sort of learning/reading disability. You may want to seek some help with that, as many reading disabilities can be overcome with guidance.

    Your sidestepping of questions, and mean-spiritedness continually demonstrates a lack of honesty and kindness.

    FWTW.

    Now, back to the question:

    Should partisan re-counts that are obviously attempting to overturn a fair election be a normal thing?

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    There’s about a 2% chance these cyber ninja Q s have remained independent during this whole process and haven’t had any clandestine communications with Trump, Kelli Ward, etc.
    It's like {The Resistance} after Trump whooped the dog out of Clinton in '16. Remember, Will, your side threatened to blow up the White House the day he moved into it. Your side threatened to impeach him before he ever got sworn. Your side rampaged the country for 4 years; burning, looting, killing, robbing in the name of The Resistance.

    Well, now we're resisting mother er Biden, that mother er.

    Stings, don't it!

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    At some point, you are going to have to figure out how to teach your offspring morals, and critical thinking.

    You are not every good at either, tbh.

    Be kind, be fair, be honest is what I came up with at guiding principles for evaluating ethics.

    You have demonstrated a lack of understanding of logical fallacies repeatedly here, that appears due to some sort of learning/reading disability. You may want to seek some help with that, as many reading disabilities can be overcome with guidance.

    Your sidestepping of questions, and mean-spiritedness continually demonstrates a lack of honesty and kindness.

    FWTW.

    Now, back to the question:

    Should partisan re-counts that are obviously attempting to overturn a fair election be a normal thing?
    Or, you can just put 'em on your ignore list like you done me, RG.

    tee, hee.

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