Amateur: Lebron vs. Kobe - Round 132756612891

[Neo.]

Does anyone still talk about Defense around here? It has never been easier to score. What's the big deal.

was pretty darn easy through most of the 80s when there was no zone and no one even gave effort on defense other than the occasional hard foul when they felt disrespected

[lefty]

Derozan was better?

Well obviously

[lefty]

Does anyone still talk about Defense around here? It has never been easier to score. What's the big deal.

I agree, defense is better today

[Dirks_Finale]

Does anyone still talk about Defense around here? It has never been easier to score. What's the big deal.

Not sexy so it's been outlawed by the league, tbh.

[monosylab1k]

Scoring in the 80’s was at the same level as now, and they weren’t shooting 3’s

But yeah, sure, it was great defense because McHale clotheslined Rambis.

[Neo.]

Not sexy so it's been outlawed by the league, tbh.

proof?

because we've already pretty well covered the rules aspect a number of times with you, and shown that the rules actually allowed for more defense to be played and that you and many others have had a wrong understanding of a specific rule that had actually been in place since the 70s and continues to be called very infrequently as it pretty much always has

so whats your angle now? or are you just going to stick with claims proven to be factually incorrect both in rule and in observation?

[lefty]

Scoring in the 80’s was at the same level as now, and they weren’t shooting 3’s

But yeah, sure, it was great defense because McHale clotheslined Rambis.

“muhtoughnessphysicalera”

[spurraider21]

I can agree with that and Kobe being third overall is no slight. ALSO Kobe bad shot selection was ego not IQ driven which is actually worse. Bron willingness to trust scrubs and to take less bad shots than Kobe and even MJ should be admired. Mj still the GOAT though

in lakers franchise history, maybe

[lefty]

in lakers franchise history, maybe

Lebron, AD, West, Kream, Shaq, Magic, Eddie Jordan, Pau, Mikan, Baylor, Worthy, Nixon, Wilkes, Dwert, Wilt all ahead of Kobme tbh….

[Killakobe81]

in lakers franchise history, maybe

I meant in comparison to MJ and Bron ...
I have said many times Kobe is somewhere between 6 and 10.

[Dirks_Finale]

proof?

because we've already pretty well covered the rules aspect a number of times with you, and shown that the rules actually allowed for more defense to be played and that you and many others have had a wrong understanding of a specific rule that had actually been in place since the 70s and continues to be called very infrequently as it pretty much always has

so whats your angle now? or are you just going to stick with claims proven to be factually incorrect both in rule and in observation?

Yeah, it's called Steve Nash's career trajectory. From tier 3 star to back to back MVP as soon they changed the rules. Not coincidental.

[Neo.]

Yeah, it's called Steve Nash's career trajectory. From tier 3 star to back to back MVP as soon they changed the rules. Not coincidental.

except 1) the only rule that changed was allowing zone defense and 2) he went to a completely new situation

so basically you're going to stick with fake news because you have absolutely nowhere else to go to back up your crappy take. got it

[Dirks_Finale]

Haha yeah sure the Don Nelson Mavs were slow it down grind it out right? Keep reaching

[Dirks_Finale]

Off topic for a moment - does everyone here over the age of 40 agree that Nash was the worst back to back MVP in NBA history and that Mark Price > Nash?

[Neo.]

Haha yeah sure the Don Nelson Mavs were slow it down grind it out right? Keep reaching

lol whining about reaching then subsequently thinking the nelson mavs were built anything remotely like d'antoni suns

[Arcadian]

Duncan goes to Orlando a few decades ago and we are mentioning him in the GOAT conversation on the regular, imo. I think playing in the spur's system cost him personal accolades.

Maybe some people would see it that way, but they would be wrong. Tim was the Spurs system for many years, he made the whole thing work, and if anything he should get more credit for being the sole superstar on multiple championship teams. If he had played with a co-superstar, that would make his career less impressive.

That's always the #1 criticism of other GOAT-tier players. "Kareem needed Oscar and Magic." "Jordan needed Pippen." "Shaq and Kobe needed each other." Duncan needed...David Robinson with degenerative disc disease, a shoot-first point guard, and a 6th man specialist.

[lefty]

proof?

because we've already pretty well covered the rules aspect a number of times with you, and shown that the rules actually allowed for more defense to be played and that you and many others have had a wrong understanding of a specific rule that had actually been in place since the 70s and continues to be called very infrequently as it pretty much always has

so whats your angle now? or are you just going to stick with claims proven to be factually incorrect both in rule and in observation?

Agreed tbh