voting rights hyperbole

[ChumpDumper]

The window to get major legislation done is your first year in office. It's that simple. Biden already has given up, that's why he intentionally waited this long.

OK.

[DMC]

i think the impact on election results is probably overstated, but in principle its really hard not to get behind these efforts

i think making election day a federal holiday would have more impact tbh

Sure but nothing says non federal employer has to let you off on a federal holiday.

[Will Hunting]

OK.

Excellent argument!

[Will Hunting]

The fact Biden blinked on infrastructure and gave into the centrist demands to pass BIF before BBB was agreed to was my last straw. It was so obvious that Manchin wanted to kill BBB and he was just feigning interest in it to get BIF passed.

If the Democratic Party is going to let centrists control the agenda with corporate welfare disguised as "infrastructure legislation," it doesn't need my support.

[ChumpDumper]

Excellent argument!

I'm accepting your position of giving up.

How am I supposed to argue that?

You gave up and want everyone else to give up.

I'm not going to convince you to not give up.

Therefore: OK.

[Will Hunting]

I'm accepting your position of giving up.

How am I supposed to argue that?

You gave up and want everyone else to give up.

OK.

"You gave up"

What should I personally be doing to get voting rights legislation passed? Writing my (non-existent) senator?

[ChumpDumper]

"You gave up"

What should I personally be doing to get voting rights legislation passed? Writing my (non-existent) senator?

So it's not on you but you want everyone else to give up?

OK.

I'm not bagging on you. I'm accepting your position. I don't think we are arguing at all.

If it's over it's really over. Nothing else to do.

[Will Hunting]

So it's not on you but you want everyone else to give up?

OK.

I'm not bagging on you. I'm accepting your position. I don't think we are arguing at all.

If it's over it's really over. Nothing else to do.

I never said I wanted everyone else to "give up" (still not sure what you're implying I and "everyone else" can be doing).

Regarding what I want everyone else to do - I think the rotating villain theory is a real thing and the base needs to start revolting against it.

[spurraider21]

I'd be fine with a federal voter ID requirement in exchange for election day becoming a national holiday, a federal voter ID program where voters can get an ID for free, and 2 weeks of mandatory early voting.

The Dems who want like an 8 week EV period are re ed imo, but I think it's a very reasonable compromise to have 2 weeks of early voting + E-day being a national holiday in exchange for Republicans getting muh ID requirement.

this has always been the glaringly obvious slam dunk compromise. but they dont want to compromise. they just want to keep being able to cry foul

[ChumpDumper]

I never said I wanted everyone else to "give up" (still not sure what you're implying I and "everyone else" can be doing).

Regarding what I want everyone else to do - I think the rotating villain theory is a real thing and the base needs to start revolting against it.

No worries. It's probably been too late all along; even before November 2020.

[Will Hunting]

this has always been the glaringly obvious slam dunk compromise. but they dont want to compromise. they just want to keep being able to cry foul

Agreed. They don't give a about ID, they just want to make voting harder.

The best example of this was Scott Walker passing a voting ID law in WI then almost simultaneously cutting the hours that DMVs would be open. I'm sure it was just a coincidence he signed an ID law then did something that would make the wait time to get an ID longer!

[SnakeBoy]

No. Start lining up primary opponents for Sinema, Chris Coomer, Mark Warner, etc.

Start painting centrist Democrats as the obstructionists that they are instead of kowtowing to them the way Biden and Pelosi have so far this year.

Keep Feinstein though. She's great.

and Sweet Amy of course

[Will Hunting]

Keep Feinstein though. She's great.

and Sweet Amy of course

I actually think Amy should be majority leader. She somehow gets insane cross party appeal whenever she's up for election and she supports the party's agenda; a midwestern woman who wins her state in a landslide is a much better face of the party than Pelosi or Schumer could ever be.

It's also very clear to me that she has been busting her ass behind the scenes on voting rights stuff almost since the day Biden took office.

Feinstein OTOH would have been better off getting cooked at Auschwitz.

[SnakeBoy]

I actually think Amy should be majority leader. She somehow gets insane cross party appeal whenever she's up for election and she supports the party's agenda; a midwestern woman who wins her state in a landslide is a much better face of the party than Pelosi or Schumer could ever be.

It's also very clear to me that she has been busting her ass behind the scenes on voting rights stuff almost since the day Biden took office.

Feinstein OTOH would have been better off getting cooked at Auschwitz.

Amy was the best choice for libs in the primaries, as I said repeatedly.

You're a wingnut so obviously you want purity tests but in reality, what your party desperately needs is to primary out the elderly, not just moderates. D party leadership looks like the politburo when Breshnev died. Old, frail, unable to adapt to a changing world.

[Will Hunting]

Amy was the best choice for libs in the primaries, as I said repeatedly.

You're a wingnut so obviously you want purity tests but in reality, what your party desperately needs is to primary out the elderly, not just moderates. D party leadership looks like the politburo when Breshnev died. Old, frail, unable to adapt to a changing world.

There are only certain issues I want purity tests on, other issues (trannies, immigration, crime & guns) I want the party to move right on, but yes getting the old s out of office should be just as big a focus as primarying the centrists.

That corrupt spear chucking monkey Bobby Rush retiring was great news. The entire Congressional Black caucus is a corrupt boomer cesspool that needs to go.

Amy would have lost to Trump at the top of ticket (IMO anyone other than Biden would have) but she'd be a way better VP than Copmala is.

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And the GOP will grow old, gray and die before it would ever agree to two weeks mandatory early voting in all 50 states + making eday a national holiday.

Making it so the single mom juggling two jobs has to work a double shift on election day is a central pillar in the GOP's electoral strategy.

I think you're wrong, Will. If (that) was the deal it'd be done. ID for 2 weeks early voting + the holiday.

We'd have no hard time with that.

[Will Hunting]

I think you're wrong, Will. If (that) was the deal it'd be done. ID for 2 weeks early voting + the holiday.

We'd have no hard time with that.

Sure, if you and I were the leaders of each senate caucus, I have no doubt we'd be able to get a deal done quick. I have no doubt your personal concerns over voter ID / voter fraud are in good faith.

I'm saying your party's leader's concerns aren't in good faith.

Similarly, I think the Democrats claiming that passing universal mail-in voting at the federal level is a must have aren't acting in good faith. There's no basis for forcing every state to provide no-excuse absentee voting, people can go vote in person (especially if there's 2 mandatory weeks of in-person early voting).

[Will Hunting]

Heck, I'd even agree to a federal ban on mailing ballots to every voter even when they're not requested the way California and DC do it. IMO no excuse mail-in voting should be by request only and it should be left up to the states as long as there are federal rules ensuring a 2 week window for people to go vote in person.

[SnakeBoy]

There are only certain issues I want purity tests on, other issues (trannies, immigration, crime & guns) I want the party to move right on, but yes getting the old s out of office should be just as big a focus as primarying the centrists.

That corrupt spear chucking monkey Bobby Rush retiring was great news. The entire Congressional Black caucus is a corrupt boomer cesspool that needs to go.

Amy would have lost to Trump at the top of ticket (IMO anyone other than Biden would have) but she'd be a way better VP than Copmala is.

Idk I think Amy had just as much chance if not more than hidin Biden if the leadership had coalesced around her. She's just as generic as Biden if not moreso.

Even if you're right, your wing of the party would have been better off losing to Trump as long as you held the house. Everything that is happening now (covid raging, inflation & supply chain issues, high oil prices, etc.) was baked in no matter who sat in the WH. Trump would be polling in the 20's by now. Instead it's all because of radical leftwing socialist Joe and we got your party to agree that $400k is middle class to boot

[baseline bum]

Idk I think Amy had just as much chance if not more than hidin Biden if the leadership had coalesced around her. She's just as generic as Biden if not moreso.

Even if you're right, your wing of the party would have been better off losing to Trump as long as you held the house. Everything that is happening now (covid raging, inflation & supply chain issues, high oil prices, etc.) was baked in no matter who sat in the WH. Trump would be polling in the 20's by now. Instead it's all because of radical leftwing socialist Joe and we got your party to agree that $400k is middle class to boot

No he wouldn't. There is nothing Trump could ever do to lose the 30-35%.

[ChumpDumper]

No he wouldn't. There is nothing Trump could ever do to lose the 30-35%.

No Trump voter here would ever turn on him.

[Will Hunting]

Idk I think Amy had just as much chance if not more than hidin Biden if the leadership had coalesced around her. She's just as generic as Biden if not moreso.

Even if you're right, your wing of the party would have been better off losing to Trump as long as you held the house. Everything that is happening now (covid raging, inflation & supply chain issues, high oil prices, etc.) was baked in no matter who sat in the WH. Trump would be polling in the 20's by now. Instead it's all because of radical leftwing socialist Joe and we got your party to agree that $400k is middle class to boot

Policy wise the two aren’t different, but Klob is mostly unknown to voters. Biden being a well known, vanilla old white guy gave him an edge that no other candidate had with low propensity voters.

[DMC]

Heck, I'd even agree to a federal ban on mailing ballots to every voter even when they're not requested the way California and DC do it. IMO no excuse mail-in voting should be by request only and it should be left up to the states as long as there are federal rules ensuring a 2 week window for people to go vote in person.

I don't necessarily have an issue with mailing everyone a ballot. They mail the census and we don't ask for that. If we have a responsibility to be counted, we should have a responsibility to vote. I have zero issue with "too many votes".

[SnakeBoy]

Less people voting is better

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