That's cool until you're one of the ones disenfranchised. I don't think everyone should vote. I think everyone should have the option. The only way a 3rd party will ever successfully emerge is if those who don't normally vote actually get involved. Otherwise it's a red wave followed by blue wave, rinse and repeat.
The government conducting a census is mandated by the cons ution though; the cons ution includes the right to vote but it doesn't create a duty for the government to seek out everyone's vote.
I don't necessarily have an "issue" with mailing everyone a ballot, but I sympathize with people who do, and I'm fine with curtailing mail-in voting (as long as it's replaced with mandatory in person early voting) if it restores confidence in elections.
Basically, I really don't think it's too burdensome to ask an able bodied adult to, at some point during a 2 week voting period, go to the polls and cast an in person vote if they want to be counted, provided that they aren't forced to wait in line for a long period of time.
Damn all the "muh Tuskegee Experiments!" moon crickets who support her are gonna be pissed.
Everyone does have the option of voting. If the smallest amount of effort & participation is enough to dissuade someone from voting then that person should not be voting.
A 3 party system isn't going to work. The 3rd party will always end up being swallowed by one of the other two (or both) or replacing one of the other two parties.
The reason we keep having red wave followed by blue wave, rinse and repeat, is that outside of rhetoric there is no significant difference between the parties over the last 25 years. It hasn't always been this way. Once we get through this political realignment period one party will be established as the majority party for a longer period of time. It will probably take the rest of this decade and it looks like the GOP is winning the race atm. Which is weird because their important policies benefit the larger number of peoples but for some reason, they are dead set focusing their messaging to an ever-decreasing slice of the population. Meanwhile the GOP can always fall back on muh Freedom, which is a powerful sentiment in this country.
eg, Georgia has closed 100s of voting sites
Confederate/red states, esp swing states under Repug control: local election officials replaced by Repug operatives.
There Will Be Counting Fraud
America is ed and un able. The ing will ramp way up after Repugs control all 3 branches, the objection corruption, as it always is with one-party countries.
Repugs will kill the filibuster, knowing the Dems never again control the Senate.
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i dont think its turnout thats holding back third parties as much as the electoral college with winner-take-all states
How does having an ID solve issues like gerrymandering? The conversation is much more complicated than that.
i know for instance in the infamous North Carolina voter id situation... they specifically chose which forms of ID they would or would not accept and that also was disproportionately targeting minorities. if every state trying to enact these bills provided free IDs to people, i think there would be a lot less pushback.
and imo, it should go further. the state should send applications for the free ID to every address of a registered voter. every few years they can keep sending those applications to new voters or those who have changed addresses, etc. be proactive about it.
my beef with voter ID laws isn't the principle of the matter itself. is it that bad to have voters confirm their ID at the polls? no, not really. the issue is that in large part, they are a solution looking for a problem, ie we dont see significant amount of voter fraud at the polls such that we need sweeping reform to address it. so if you're going to take that step, fine i guess, but have to be pretty damn certain you aren't ing anybody over
Exactly. Plus mail-in voting is now somehow a bad thing?
Getting ID is easy.
Voting is easy.
Bigger problems to solve, tbh.
Voter fraud isnt an issue.
bigger problems to solve.
Then why did Texas change voting from 2020?
Quit acting like voter ID is like making people take IQ tests. Its 2022.
Why did Texas change voting from 2020?
That's right, it's 2022, so why are you still obsessed with card based proof of iden y?
Its a very low bar.
Also it's already been law for years. It's 2022.
Why did Texas change voting laws again last year?
Since you'll keep repeating yourself like a re ed Chatty Cathy doll, what specific changes do you have issue with?
Cons ution good now? You guys need to make up your minds already.
Why can't you just answer my question, Darrin?
Just once.
Why did Texas change voting laws again last year?
Your Voter ID law was already on the books.
Yes nobody has ever cheated
I want mandatory ID. And not like it matters what I think because I am not in congress, but, I am fine with making election day a federal holiday. Im also cool with a federal mandate of at least 2 weeks of early voting.
Free I.D.? Meh, if people can use their welfare check to buy tattoos and lotto tickets they can spend a few bucks on an I.D.
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