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    Juancho "Villa" Hernangomez is the most awesome ing name in the History of the Spurs.....surpassing Manu Ginobili, Zarko Paspaj, Kurt Nimphius (my favorite name), and Terry mings (the preacher with the porn star name)
    You have obviously forgotten about Frank Brickowski.

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    My opinion of the trade is this, whatever. I am glad we are done with Forbes. He was ok offensively, too inconsistent. However, I am a defense first guy, and he played less D than the fans in the stands. No one here liked him, wanted him benched or gone, and now he is gone. PATFO rid us of him, but you people are still whining and ing. You act like he was complete dog one minute, then except a T-Bone steak in return. You cannot have it both ways. If you feel he is bologna, and all you get in return is bologna, then stop your ing.

    BTW, Forbes leaves, and we wipe the floor with OKC. Two gifts in a row.

    Now we need to find a way to move on from Young and possibly White. I like White, but he is made of glass and moving him gives us more room for Jones and Primo, who both have more upside, IMO.

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    You have obviously forgotten about Frank Brickowski.
    , thank you my good man.

    I loved Brick, he was our muscle, back when the NBA was a man's sport. He was the one Spur I didn't want to tussle with.....I mean I was just a kid but still.

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    Didn't this guy or his brother used to roast us all the time?

    Anyways, nice trade. Of course I'd wish we'd simply kept Aminu or Samanic over signing Forbes to begin with. Eubanks and Young also on the way out, then?

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    You have obviously forgotten about Frank Brickowski.
    Cherokee Parks in the building.

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    Cherokee Parks in the building.
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    Didn't this guy or his brother used to roast us all the time?

    On 12/26/2018 Juancho scored 27 pts versus the Spurs, with 13 rebounds, and he hit 6 of 7 from 3pt range. (Fortunately, Jokic played like crap in that game - too much Xmas turkey? - and the Spurs won.) Otherwise I donít think Juancho ever did much against us, but he had a heluva game that one time.

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    My opinion of the trade is this, whatever. I am glad we are done with Forbes. He was ok offensively, too inconsistent. However, I am a defense first guy, and he played less D than the fans in the stands. No one here liked him, wanted him benched or gone, and now he is gone. PATFO rid us of him, but you people are still whining and ing. You act like he was complete dog one minute, then except a T-Bone steak in return. You cannot have it both ways. If you feel he is bologna, and all you get in return is bologna, then stop your ing.

    BTW, Forbes leaves, and we wipe the floor with OKC. Two gifts in a row.

    Now we need to find a way to move on from Young and possibly White. I like White, but he is made of glass and moving him gives us more room for Jones and Primo, who both have more upside, IMO.

    I agree white is a China doll, but cmon…Tre will never be as good as White.

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    Most of the time, if the protection on a SRP is met, the pick just doesnít convey. To be fair, many times the pick is a technicality to meet the CBA requirements of assets going both ways, and it will be like 31-55, with the pick never meant to convey. I donít think Iíve ever seen a pick protection for a SRP include rolling into a later SRP.
    Interesting. So we took a bit more extra payroll for a player unlikely to get meaningful minutes, guaranteed Juancho's salary for next year too reportedly (heard somewhere), to get rid of Bryn, all for a historically meaningless pick that's unlikely to convey anyway.

    Someone tell me again, why did we re-sign Bryn? Or am I not allowed to question that?

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    Interesting. So we took a bit more extra payroll for a player unlikely to get meaningful minutes, guaranteed Juancho's salary for next year too reportedly (heard somewhere), to get rid of Bryn, all for a historically meaningless pick that's unlikely to convey anyway.

    Someone tell me again, why did we re-sign Bryn? Or am I not allowed to question that?
    Juan is non guaranteed next season. We have till June 30th to pickup his ~7mm option. We also received 2.35mm in cash. Juanís 2021-22 salary is ~7mm, Brynís is 4.5mm. 7-4.5=2.5. 2.5/2=1.25 as we are half way into the season. We received 2.35mm in cash. Stay with me slowmo. We pay half of Juanís 2021-22 salary: 7/2=3.5. We save half of Brynís 2021-22 salary 4.5/2=2.25. What does -3.5+2.25+2.35=? Get your calculator out champ. Iíll proofread your work in the DM if need be.

    Additionally, the protection is limited such that it conveyís so long as itís not 31-33 meaning as long as the Nuggets ARE NOT a bottom 3 team we get the pick.
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    I agree white is a China doll, but cmon…Tre will never be as good as White.
    We have the opposite of Forbes in Tre all defense but can’t hit a 3 ball for his life

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    We have a trade!


    The deadline is still three weeks away, but Boston, San Antonio and Denver struck a three-team deal in the wee hours of Wednesday morning. The terms will send Juancho Hernangomez from Boston to San Antonio, Bryn Forbes from San Antonio to Denver and Bol Bol and P.J. Dozier from Denver to Boston. Denverís 2028 second-round pick also goes to San Antonio.


    (Some minor late-breaking details, according to this report: San Antonio will receive $2.35 million cash, with $2.15 million of that from Boston and $200,000 from Denver. The pick from Denver is protected 31-33).


    The biggest story here isnít the trade itself but what it represents in the big picture: a belief by the Denver Nuggets that they can be healthy enough by the 2022 playoffs to contend for something important, even in a loaded West, and thus that itís worth throwing assets at this season despite a 22-20 record.


    Weíll go deeper into that discussion in a minute, but letís start with the low-hanging fruit first. A rebuilding Spurs team with eleventy-seven shooting guards parlayed the one-year deal Forbes signed this offseason into a 2028 second-round pick. Itís hard to see how that one turns out badly for San Antonio. In fact, this is the one way signing veterans can work out really well for a rebuilding team ó if they can be rolled into draft picks at midseason.


    The Spurs also get Hernangomez in the deal, who has hardly played this year and presumably will be waived in the offseason, if not sooner (his $7.5 million for next season is non-guaranteed). San Antonio is still miles below the luxury-tax line and only added $1 million in payroll cash-wise, so think of this as buying a draft pick incredibly cheaply. With four recently drafted shooting guards (Derrick White, Lonnie Walker, Devin Vassell and Josh Primo) vying for playing time, it was also imperative that the Spurs get Forbes out of their way.


    Note that the Spurs could also buy out Hernangomez and opt to sign 41st pick Joe Weiskamp, currently on a two-way, to a roster contract. As for Juancho, he might have better offers in Spain than he does stateside at this point; it will be interesting to see where his career pivots.


    From Bostonís perspective, itís equally difficult to see how this works out badly. Boston turned a $7 million contract into two contracts that combine for $4.5 million and didnít have to give up any draft picks to do it. It ďonlyĒ cost them $2.15 million cash, which is chump change compared to what theyíll save by avoiding the luxury tax.


    That money matters for the Celtics because the deal puts them very close to getting out of the luxury tax. On paper, Boston is $2.7 million into the tax following this trade, but that figure includes $1.9 million in incentives for Jaylen Brown that seem unlikely to come to fruition. The Celtics could get out of the tax entirely by paying a team cash to take Bruno Fernando (or Bol), which would have the added benefit of en ling them to the roughly $10 million per team payout expected this year for every club beneath the tax line. (This number is much bigger than usual in 2021-22 due to the extreme largesse of the Warriors, Nets and Clippers.)


    The drawback is that both the players they received are out for the season and will be free agents in the summer. Dozier, who tore his ACL in Denver, is interesting enough that they may want to re-sign him with Bird rights. Bol had surgery on his foot after failing a physical in a rescinded trade to Detroit earlier this month. Thus, the key negative is that Boston will be carrying two dead roster spots for much of the season, which could impede its ability to add depth if injuries hit. Boston can eventually waive Bol and clear a roster spot to sign a player once it knows itís cleared the tax, but that probably doesnít happen untill March or April.


    Finally, Boston also can churn its existing small trade exception for Kemba Walker into a $7 million one for Hernangomez, since the two salaries Boston received are small enough to fit into Walkerís exception. Overall, itís a nice bit of salary-cap sorcery by the Celts; normally teams in the tax have to pay a premium in cash or second-round picks to cut $2.8 million in salary like this.


    This takes us to the most important part of the deal: Denverís. The Nuggetsí end of the trade is the only one that might matter, with a capital m, as Forbesí piece is the only part of this deal with postseason implications.


    Denver currently stands sixth in the West and expects to have Jamal Murray (and possibly Michael Porter Jr.) back for the stretch run. Donít let that 22-20 record fool you: A fully loaded Nuggets team looks fearsome.


    The problem in Denver this season has been woeful depth, something magnified by an uncommon series of injuries. Forbes isnít some huge star, but he immediately upgrades sub-replacement-level minutes that the Nuggets were getting off the bench.


    (One quibble would be that Forbes is only 6-2 and the Nuggets are already knee-deep in small guards. In addition to the 6-3 Murray, they have 5-10 Facundo Campazzo, 6-2 Monte Morris, 6-4 Austin Rivers and 6-2 Bones Hyland.)


    However, Forbes does fill a specific niche as a spot-up shooter. Denver is only 18th in 3-point shooting this season despite generating a lot of wide-open looks courtesy of the most brilliant passing big man youíve ever seen; Forbes is a 41.3 percent career 3-point shooter and immediately becomes far and away the best perimeter threat on Denverís roster (at least until Porter returns).


    Because of that, Forbes seems likely to supplant the struggling Rivers and the rookie Hyland in Denverís backcourt rotation; he pencils in as the backup two in a nine-man playoff rotation.


    In the Nuggetsí case, Forbesí $4.5 million salary also works out extremely conveniently, as it is basically a neutral trade cap-wise (Bol and Dozier combined to make $4.1 million). The Nuggets were close enough to the luxury-tax line that theyíre sweating every dollar; Denver is $969,474 away from the line on paper, but unlikely incentives for JaMychal Green, Jeff Green, Aaron Gordon and Will Barton could still push them over. (The Nuggets would have to make a deep playoff run for these to be a factor, but still.)


    The Nuggets likely desperately want to stay below the tax line this year, not only for the payout noted above but also because they are near-certain to be a tax team each of the next three seasons with max deals for Murray, Porter, a likely a supermax for Nikola Jokic and a rich extension for Gordon. Thus, avoiding the tax this year means they avoid the repeater tax in 2024-25. Denver, of course, can also gain some additional breathing room by sending out cash to another team to take the minimum deals of Rivers or Vlatko Cancar off its hands.


    In the meantime, keep your eye on another move. Denver created an open roster spot with this trade, which means the long-rumored DeMarcus Cousins 10-day may be a lot closer to reality this morning. Inking him to two 10-days between now and the trade deadline is the one move the Nuggets certainly can afford.


    Getting back to the big picture, there is one overarching question: Was it worth the cost of 2028 second-rounder to make this swap for a 40-game rental? It was an interesting choice, certainly, because it indicates the Nuggets have some level of belief in their playoff viability despite playing in the top-heavy Western Conference. I donít see Forbes as any kind of ceiling-raiser, but he can help the Nuggets keep things afloat during what have been fairly disastrous second-unit minutes this season.


    One can see how that might end up mattering in a playoff series where Murray and Porter are present at full strength, and the Nuggets have better information on this possibility than any of us. Thus, itís very interesting that the Nuggets seem to believe enough in their potential return to throw assets at a 2022 playoff run.

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    We have the opposite of Forbes in Tre all defense but can’t hit a 3 ball for his life
    Tre can still run an offense and is decent at penetrating and getting his own shot.

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    We have a trade!


    The deadline is still three weeks away...
    Thanks a million!

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    You'd think that if the Nuggets really are trying to go all in here, they would be more willing to trade a near-term second (2022 or 2023) than one in 2028 that only has light protection and might convey when the Nuggets are trying to rebuild. Jokic will be 33 by then, not ancient but probably starting down the downslope.

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    You'd think that if the Nuggets really are trying to go all in here, they would be more willing to trade a near-term second (2022 or 2023) than one in 2028 that only has light protection and might convey when the Nuggets are trying to rebuild. Jokic will be 33 by then, not ancient but probably starting down the downslope.
    Maybe the pick was SAs call, not Denverís.

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    You'd think that if the Nuggets really are trying to go all in here, they would be more willing to trade a near-term second (2022 or 2023) than one in 2028 that only has light protection and might convey when the Nuggets are trying to rebuild. Jokic will be 33 by then, not ancient but probably starting down the downslope.
    There is already an option on all SRPs till 2028 so this was the first SRP they could move unless we were adamant on their 2022 SRP which they own (a draft we have 3 decent picks in.) Also Jokic at 33, barring injury will still be an all NBA talent.

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    You'd think that if the Nuggets really are trying to go all in here, they would be more willing to trade a near-term second (2022 or 2023) than one in 2028 that only has light protection and might convey when the Nuggets are trying to rebuild. Jokic will be 33 by then, not ancient but probably starting down the downslope.

    Maybe a case of Denver thinking they can strike gold a second time with another 2nd round pick. I can understand why they'd be all in with a guy like Jokic, and do everything in their power to get him some more help.

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    There is already an option on all SRPs till 2028 so this was the first SRP they could move unless we were adamant on their 2022 SRP which they own (a draft we have 3 decent picks in.) Also Jokic at 33, barring injury will still be an all NBA talent.
    Even if he is will probably be starting his downward slope and who knows how porter and their Murray will be by then. They have already had a few injuries so could they be being downgraded and Jokic not able to handle as much of the load as he does now.

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    There is already an option on all SRPs till 2028 so this was the first SRP they could move unless we were adamant on their 2022 SRP which they own (a draft we have 3 decent picks in.) Also Jokic at 33, barring injury will still be an all NBA talent.
    Where did you get your info about Denver's future seconds? I looked at https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dr...rafts/detailed and it says Denver only owed its 2023 and 2027 seconds prior to this week's trade.

    I had forgotten to check that before I made my earlier post, but I thought that site was pretty reliable. It already has this week's trade info in it, for example.

    I agree on Jokic. My point was that by then Denver might be transitioning away from a win-now mode, though I suppose they could go the other way and throw everything at the then-present before Jokic hits his late 30s. Who knows, 6 years is a long time in the NBA.

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    Where did you get your info about Denver's future seconds? I looked at https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dr...rafts/detailed and it says Denver only owed its 2023 and 2027 seconds prior to this week's trade.

    I had forgotten to check that before I made my earlier post, but I thought that site was pretty reliable. It already has this week's trade info in it, for example.

    I agree on Jokic. My point was that by then Denver might be transitioning away from a win-now mode, though I suppose they could go the other way and throw everything at the then-present before Jokic hits his late 30s. Who knows, 6 years is a long time in the NBA.
    https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dr...re_drafts/team

    From what I see here every year has conditionality around their SRPs till 2028. My understaninf is you cannot trade a pick that already has conditions on it.

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    https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dr...re_drafts/team

    From what I see here every year has conditionality around their SRPs till 2028. My understaninf is you cannot trade a pick that already has conditions on it.
    Thanks. Your version is much cleaner, I'll bookmark it too.

    I guess they could have done something complicated like give the Spurs their 2024 or 2025 second if it doesn't go to OC, and the 2028 otherwise. But just making it the 2028 pick is simpler, and the Spurs might very well have insisted on it rather than something sooner.

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    https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dr...re_drafts/team

    From what I see here every year has conditionality around their SRPs till 2028. My understaninf is you cannot trade a pick that already has conditions on it.
    I beleive you can trade a pick that has conditions on it as long as it has opposite conditions. So Denver could trade their 2028 pic 31-33 still. but they could not make a pick trade that would be if not conveyed in 2027 would turn into a 2028 2nd rd pick 34-60.

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    I beleive you can trade a pick that has conditions on it as long as it has opposite conditions. So Denver could trade their 2028 pic 31-33 still. but they could not make a pick trade that would be if not conveyed in 2027 would turn into a 2028 2nd rd pick 34-60.
    That makes sense, thanks for this. I’m no strategist or capologist. I suspect the Spurs were happy to have what appears to be a sure 2028 SRP. Nothing to write home about, too far in the future to speculate on, but decent draft capital that cost virtually nothing in the scheme of things.

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    That makes sense, thanks for this. I’m no strategist or capologist. I suspect the Spurs were happy to have what appears to be a sure 2028 SRP. Nothing to write home about, too far in the future to speculate on, but decent draft capital that cost virtually nothing in the scheme of things.
    it gets even more complicated if it is a 1st rd pick because of the Stepien rule.

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