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    that has nothing to do with the point
    It diminishes your counterpoint. Let's stick to relative history.

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    It diminishes your counterpoint. Let's stick to relative history.
    It doesn’t diminish . Your point was about something being bad if it’s forced rather than brought about organically. Why should era change that principle. It’s either bad or it’s not bad

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    It doesn’t diminish . Your point was about something being bad if it’s forced rather than brought about organically. Why should era change that principle. It’s either bad or it’s not bad
    No need to curse. You are reaching for low hanging fruit by reaching so far back in history.

    Outliers shouldn't be our debating points.

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    No need to curse. You are reaching for low hanging fruit by reaching so far back in history.

    Outliers shouldn't be our debating points.
    You're going with a fallacy.

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    No need to curse.
    suck my balls

    You are reaching for low hanging fruit by reaching so far back in history.

    Outliers shouldn't be our debating points.
    They’re the most obvious examples of exactly what you brought up, social change being bad if brought on by mandate

    must be killing you that it’s no longer socially ok to be openly racist and having to own that ending slavery and segregation were unequivocally good things

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    Jim Crow is an outlier.

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    Jim Crow is an outlier.
    if you go by percentage of US history, people of African ancestry were held to fairly strict bondage until 1863. Reconstruction is basically over by 1880, the Second Reconstruction doesn't come until the mid-sixties, though it started in the mid 1950s.

    Black folks have been free for 85-90 years max in the USA, all-time. Jim Crow was basically as long. Jim Crow and slavery seem to be more the rule than the exception.

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    Yeah, Mutts went full QAnon so it was dropped from these papers as well.
    They went from like, 34 daily comic strips to 10 chainwide. I guess the value of the pulp is worth more to them.

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    You're going with a fallacy.
    Explain mr.Spielberg

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    Just a normal field trip


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    Explain mr.Spielberg
    You're doing a sort of inverted appeal to tradition.

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    canning academic freedom and the 1st Amendment in universities is very woke


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    remind me, what's the good government rationale for snitching out trans students to CPS?


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    here's an example from uh, today


    Do you think those surgeries are ethical?

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    Do you think those surgeries are ethical?
    Wrt gender reassignment surgery for minors, the incidence is vanishingly small and nonexistent AFAIK for minors under 16 years old. These treatments aren't done willy-nilly, there's extensive pre surgery evaluation and rigid norms of informed consent. Gender reassignment surgery is difficult for adults to get, for those 16-18yo even more so.

    To answer your stipulation, broadly speaking yes, I think such surgeries are ethical as well as consistent with professional norms. If 16 year olds are old enough to be emancipated from their parents, they're probably old enough to consent to elective surgery.

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    remind me, what's the good government rationale for snitching out trans students to CPS?

    It's what good Christian Texans do

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    It's what good Christian Texans do
    I guess it all turns on what you mean by good Christian and Texan. I don't see how being a little different from the norm is subversive. Indeed, without contrast to outliers, there is no normal strictly speaking.

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    I guess it all turns on what you mean by good Christian and Texan. I don't see how being a little different from the norm is subversive. Indeed, without contrast to outliers, there is no normal strictly speaking.
    Christians are anxious because they're the minority or soon will be. Pay attention to theocratic Republicans. They're telling you who they are, and they're coming for it all and sooner, not later.

    They're not going to rest content with shunning trans from visibility, they've already outlawed teaching US history in several states.

    , they've already made women second-class citizens again.

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    Wrt gender reassignment surgery for minors, the incidence is vanishingly small and nonexistent AFAIK for minors under 16 years old. These treatments aren't done willy-nilly, there's extensive pre surgery evaluation and rigid norms of informed consent. Gender reassignment surgery is difficult for adults to get, for those 16-18yo even more so.

    To answer your stipulation, broadly speaking yes, I think such surgeries are ethical as well as consistent with professional norms. If 16 year olds are old enough to be emancipated from their parents, they're probably old enough to consent to elective surgery.
    do families get to choose what's best for them, or do you, Darrin?

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    ...you and the State of Texas

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    DarrinS transfixed on the remote possibility of gender reassignment surgery.

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    very woke

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    "I've Been Cancelled" lecture tour


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    "want to talk about banned books during banned books week?"

    "yeah, no."


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    is coding unladylike?




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