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Oh, and Mark Williams at 9 would ing suck tbh.
It's not Jakob/Richard/Collins. It's Jakob/Richardson/Collins/lotto pick/two non-lotto firsts for Collins/two lotto picks/Hayward. Since we have no idea what the Hawks would take for Collins, we don't know if this trade helps them get him. From my perspective, Poeltl/Collins is way more desirable than Hayward/Collins. If they can get Collins in a deal that doesn't involve Murray, Poeltl or the ninth pick and that doesn't break the back in terms of the other pieces, I'm game. That's three starters locked down. Assuming at least one of Vassell/Johnson survive the trade, that's another spot if not two locked down. Use the near-max slot to bring in a scoring guard, and use the remaining picks on PG and C depth, and I think you have something with way more upside. In a roster like,
Murray, Jones
Lavine, Primo
Johnson, Vassell
Collins, KBD
Poeltl, Landale
I'd love drafting a guy like Mark Williams, and I could even get behind drafting a scoring guard like Mathurin. But once you start punching holes in that rotation, it becomes much easier to see how it would fall apart. There are a number of bad defenders in that rotation. Collins is coming off an injury and probably shouldn't play more than change-up minutes at the five. Their bench is still mostly meh given that the Spurs may well end up stashing whomever they pick at 9. Switching Johnson and Vassell might address a number of those problems, but I don't think that's realistic. The team would need find a starting-caliber center to spell Williams -- assuming they draft him. If guys like Jakob were that common, the Spurs wouldn't be able to get this trade with Charlotte in the first place. That could make defensive issues worse. It could also exacerbate Collins' injury issue. They can't even re-sign Drew Eubanks to fix their problem. Maybe the Spurs have a sizeable chunk of space left over and decide to try to get Jalen Smith, Mo Bamba someone like that to sign on. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But wouldn't bet on it.
Oh, and Mark Williams at 9 would ing suck tbh.
Those are both teams that wanted to trade for Poeltl. I don't know that the Spurs would want to trade Poeltl for those picks straight up (they don't need a fifth pick), but I also don't think either team would (or even could in Chicago's case) offer a future first to balance out the Spurs sending 25.
The more I think about it, the more I believe the Spurs are going to try and trade 20 & 25 to move up into the teens. There’s gonna be someone there at like 15 or 16 that they want like Eason or Williams and they’re going to try and pull the trigger. Just a hunch.
Fair enough - I think the mental exercise for me was looking at all the different paths Sa can go. I think they need to keep pedal down and up the creativity. Look to find value where you can and maximize ROI on assets that aren’t really needle movers for teams like SA and that dont fit timeline.
And I am not dying to trade Jak either so dont want it to come off like that; my pref would be using 20/25/Doug/Richardson to get assets/move up and keep Jak while adding two lottery role players (helps win now a little and helps future) while using cap space and future picks to land someone to add to DJ/Keldon/Jak/Vassell
Yeah, I'd hate Mark Williams at 9. Please no.
It's definitely not unreasonable, under the assumptions made. It'd SHOCK me if Duren falls to Charlotte, I'm 95% confident they'll end up taking Mark Williams (though I'm hoping they use the pick to trade for Poeltl/Richardson). But if the Spurs find Williams available at 20, yes, he's hard to pass up. He's a quality center for many years, and he allows you to move Poeltl without pain.
I'm hoping for any one of Daniels, Sochan or Mathurin at 9 (Daniels for potential, Sochan for fit). I'd like to explore the possibility of trading with Charlotte to get 13 & 15 (maybe 9 + 25, or some combination of Poeltl, Richardson & a later pick) and grab 1 of them or Johnny Davis (one is bound to fall) + Tari Eason.
At 20/25 I'd like two of: Dieng, Jovic, Baldwin Jr, Wesley, Hardy, Branham.
Only request is, ONLY PICK GUARD IF TALENT GAP IS SIGNIFICANT. At some point you have to stop stockpiling the same kind of player, and if you keep adding Primos, one day you'll pass on a truly better prospect because of that.
That's about it.
Just for s and gigs. Duren won’t be a Spur though. Of that much I am confident.
That's crazy. From an asset perspective, it'd be INSANE VALUE to get two (almost) lottery picks for Poeltl. You are not forced to use them all, if such a deal were available you simply shop the picks and keep the 3 you like the most (considering player value vs potential return). But that's a moot point because not even the Kings would be that stupid (to offer us that much).
Please just do not select AJ Griffin, (most overrated player in the draft) and we should be fine.
Well, that's not two lottery picks. That's the 13th pick and moving up five spots. And now we can start putting real names into the equation to be more precise.
You do that trade and chances are the resulting swap is something like Poeltl and Wesley for Mark Williams and Branham. That's .............. not exactly an exciting proposition.
I don't love the idea of re-signing Poeltl to a huge deal but if the Spurs trade him, I'd want something more -- or at least assets that can be bundled together at some point in the future. This draft is pretty flat from like 12 to 28 so I don't value 13 and 15 a lot more than I value 20 and 25, for example. To be specific, even if Sochan slips to 13 (which is probably unlikely), picking him there isn't a whole lot more valuable than picking between players like Baldwin, Hardy, Jovic, Wesley, etc. at 20.
I guess how I look at it is, SA should do that trade before the draft. Secure picks 13 and 15 going into draft so they have 9, 13 and 15. So what they (as I said before) are doing is getting a shot at Poeltl for Ivey and if that does not work, worst case is getting Poeltl and Wesley for Sochan & Duren. That is still a solid deal IMO - but obviously a bit of a gamble. But SA should be taking calculated gambles especially ones that have limited downsides like losing a Center that you don’t likely want to pay anyways…
Then on top of that, SA still having the cap space to replace Jakob or add an all star like Lavine (or both).
And if teams see it as flat as you do, then SA should totally be willing to use 20+25 to get another lottery pick and walk away with likely 2 of the top 10 players in the draft to keep adding talent/youth as we recycle through the dead weight on the team
(Obviously this is predicated on who SA wants - I am just talking value/opportunity in the event they really like 2 guys and one wont be there pick 20)
Last edited by DPG21920; 05-18-2022 at 03:10 AM.
I'm not sure we can get that much more for Poeltl, unless we sign him to a long term, team friendly deal... unlikely IMO. And a S&T won't get us more than that. But if Williams & Branham is the best we can do at 13 & 15 and Wesley or Jovic could be had for sure at 20, then yes, I'd agree.
However, I think 9, 13 and 15 would give us a REAL chance at drafting BOTH a high upside wing/2 guard AND a versatile forward, plus a taking swing with the other pick.
Say Sochan at 9, Johnny Davis at 13 and Tari Eason (or Blake Wesley, or Branham, or Dieng) at 15
Or Daniels/Mathurin at 9, Sochan/Eason at 13, and Dieng/Wesley/Branham at 15
I think guaranteeing yourself one of Sochan or Eason is more valuable than the others mentioned, even if just for fit, plus you up your talent level and leverage an extra pick.
But there's a lot of buts and ifs, you could argue either way I guess.
We all know the Spurs are gonna draft two undersized guards at 9/20 and whatever foreign players remaining with the hardest to pronounce names at 25/28 and stash them forever tbh. Question is will they bring back Fathead at 3/$100mil or 4/$130mil to start at PF?
^ just jump
Yeah, I made a mistake. What else is new? All the Spurs haters are ing tonight. I just took a xanax so I'm kind of mellowing down. And I've recently started to reconsider suicide. And before you me out or call me a pussy, this has nothing to do with the draft lottery. I'm miserable right now in my life and I'm starting to come to a breaking point. I'm stuck at a dead end job with ty pay and I get treated like a piece of too there. No respect at all. I am a hopeless piece of and prick. I wasted 5 and a half years in college in the hopes of possibly getting a good paying job or at least a decent paying job. I've been stuck in retail for almost 3 years making a whopping 15K a year. How am I ever going to be happy making ty money like that? Sorry for the rant, I think it's the xanax kicking in.
Rob check your DM man. Believe me i’ve been there.
Edit: Rob just clowning me but lord knows I know what career failure can do to you!
Last edited by KingKev; 05-18-2022 at 06:23 AM.
vibes Rob everything's gonna be alright
You're still young I expect so still have time to turn things around.
9 Dyson
20 Wesley
25 PBJ
38 Kamagate
Hang in there bruv. Go back to the small stuff. Getting oxygen in your blood and brain -- even deep breathing or walking -- can do wonders and put meaningless into perspective. Look into Transcendental Meditation. One day at a time. Find a job that doesnt make you hate it and yourself even if the pay isn’tfantastic. That'll give you time to re-orient yourself.
I think the Spurs need a star( didn’t say super star) and a starter/rotation player out of this draft/off season. I also think they have the draft picks, plus the moveable pieces, to get it done. Hoping the FO doesn’t just draft some dudes. We’ll see…..
look on the bright side, at least you're not that bum koriwhat
I think the Kings will entertain offers for #4 but, I don't think they'll be looking for draft picks. I think they want a player to put next to Fox. We probably won't be bidding for their pick but if we did I assume it would take DJ to get #4. I do believe there are scenarios that make sense for is to do that but it's a slower rebuild.
If they don't get offers they like from other teams I might offer them something like 9 + KJ + 25 and see if they bite...
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