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Makes sense. Thanks...you learn something new every day, so now my learning for the day is done!
i wouldn't put it past the kings to take on an aging lebron and his 2nd round talent of a son.should've just went to the Spurs when he had the chance to do it. Would've had a healthy environment, but no guys want to play somewhere more appealing and then cry about locker room issues
somebody will draft Bronny just to get LeBron. I really hope it's the Sacramento Kings. Would be hilarious
Makes sense. Thanks...you learn something new every day, so now my learning for the day is done!
I think a healthy AD and LeBron, plus Kyrie will be dangerous to ring. Why awaken a sleeping giant?
lakers still might find a way otherwise. if the spurs can get something out of it, then so be it.
We have to eat the salary to get the picks.
10 years ago, GS ‘paid’ $10M in accepting an additional year of HWSNBN’s salary for a pick that turned out to be #30 overall to send Stephen Jackson back here, and selected Festus Ezeli. $20M per unprotected pick ten years later doesn’t sound too bad.
That’s not the path we’re taking.
You have to spend a big chunk of that, anyway, to hit minimum salary. Besides, we can’t eat the whole thing, anyway. We’d have to send out McD or JRich to match the incoming salary. So, it would be like $35M?
AD is never healthy, and LBron hasn’t been recently. The rest of their roster is dog crap.
How is that any better than Ayton, Bridges, Johnson and picks/swaps? Unless the Jazz or Mitc get real, I don't see the young, signed long term, first option type that the Suns probably need to provide the Nets with to get this done.
Knowing the arrogance of the Craptors, they're probably offering Anunoby, Trent Jr. and picks/swaps. Even if they relent on Siakam probably in place of Anunoby, he's 3.5 years older than Ingram.
That's why I keep coming back to the Pelicans. They're the only ones that checks all the boxes. Beyond the obvious (Ingram, Daniels, Murphy, etc.), they have 13 picks, some of which are from the Lakers and Bucks, plus are out of conference.
Forget guarantee, more like they'd merely have a punchers chance (presuming James can maintain being a top half dozen player and Davis can bounce back to at least top 15ish), as opposed to no shot right now. The rest of their roster is laughably bad.
A top 6 and top 15 player, and a bunch of dog crap in a burning bag sounds an awful lot like our 2009-2012 squads: an easy playoff out.
I meant with Irving because even though the rest of the roster is pathetic, at that point, despite the age of James and durability of Davis and him, we'd be talking 3 top 20 players, who complement one another well, in a league with no boogeyman.
I'm not saying that's a good offer by Phoenix. I'm just saying they would probably offer that
Dude. Really? Basic capology c’mon.
Westbrook ain't coming to the Spurs and the Lakers ain't getting Kyrie. They don't have the assets and Pop would be the last person on earth to help the Lakers. Even with Kyrie they still wouldn't win since their other players are complete garbage.
Using that logic, Spurfan should have no qualms about trading for Westbrook if it means they're getting proper compensation tbh.
I will be the first to admit I don't understand all this cap . But I am open to learning, which is why I posed the question
To be more exact, waiving Westbrook would be committing to giving Russ monthly paychecks of $1.2 Million for three years. It would all hit the cap this year, but cash doesn't follow the cap so closely. If the team is truly cash poor they might prefer that to play guys the full amount this year, but that's like apocalyptic financial constraints.
You love to see it.
I'd rather pay him $47M to leave than pay him $47M to play...
If salary is below minimum you have to spread the salary to the remaining players anyway. So one way or another spurs has to pay. Just to Westbrook or to keldon johnson
https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...trade.amp.html
Article from Eric Pincus about Spurs getting involved in facilitating a Kyrie/Russ trade. The first paragraph makes it sound like there have been active discussions (as opposed to this being a theoretical “Spurs have cap space and could help out” type statement like Woj mentioned the other day).
The Brooklyn Nets and Los Angeles Lakers have held preliminary discussions on a Kyrie Irving trade, and sources indicate the teams are exploring the potential of pulling the San Antonio Spurs into a multi-team deal
more likely he'd negotiate a buyout. the spurs have no interest in actually playing westbrook. westbrook presumably wants to play so he can earn another contract. he also presumably does not want to rot on the bench of a rebuilding team.
so they'd negotiate some buyout where he would accept something less than the full 47 mil and would be free to sign with a contender of his choosing for cheap. lets say for arguments sake they agree to buy him out at 40 million. in that case the spurs are basically just giving up 40 mil of their cap space this year... but in exchange for some draft compensation that they would make a condition of such a move.
so yeah, the owner has to sign off on a plan to pay a guy a ton of money who will never play for the team. but the cap ramifications are limited to this year where we arent really planning on using cap space anyway, so its really a win win for us. just up to the owner to agree to pay for it
As I said, I don't think the Spurs would be getting Westbrook. The Nets would be better off keeping him a huge piece and breaking him up later than by taking bad to meh contracts. The Spurs can turn multi-year guys into expirings or even TEs. Hopefully it's not cheap, but that adds considerable value to two teams trying to figure things out with bloated payrolls.
Like this as the bones of the trade:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2qsq9t26
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The Lakers sending their 2027 pick and a swap to Brooklyn and the 2029 pick to the Spurs
The Hornets trading the Denver 2023 pick to Brooklyn and removes protection for their natural 2023 pick
CHA gets off Hayward's second year and gets useful win-now players.
BRK gets two picks and saves a fair bit of money for Irving and Curry
LAL turns their spare parts into two players who fit their win-now timeline but also fit with Davis and James really well.
SA likely gets an okay 2023 first and another guaranteed future first, bringing up their total unprotected pick count to four with two unprotected swaps and a top-1 protected first. They also randomly increase the cap space they have for this season, meaning they could easily participate in a Durant trade if need be.
This is some nice 4D-chess that is probably *just* too complicated to become reality, but would be awesome for us.
Nets say no. They trade away Kyrie and Harris for horrible contract, an expiring and two picks one of which will be a mid to late first with Jamal Murray coming back. Great deal for everyone else.
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