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    I don't understand the hate for Sochan (while he's on his 3rd year). You would appreciate his skills if he were playing for another team.
    Spurs fans have gone full re since 2020. Not just here but on other sites too. They're even dumber than the old "Austin Daye, Jeff Errors, and a FRP for Kevin Durant/Lebron James/whomever" people from back in the day.

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    What's ironic, for years, we needed a defensive forward who can rebound, play physical, and willing to do the dirty job. Now that we have a promising young player who fits this role and a team player, some people are already wanting him out. Perhaps we have grown en led.

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    If he ends up being the fourth best player on our team (meaning we have 2 players besides Wemby who are inarguably better than him) I'd like our chances in the future. He's solid, but hopefully the Spurs don't try to turn him into a #3 option or something.

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    *except

    And is that your new alt account, scotty?
    Thanks for correcting, mobile auto-correct and English is not my first language so I've missed it.
    And I am not Scotty, I'm just a 52 yo bloke form Poland living in England now. Always appreciated SAS basketball even if I was more into Bulls in 90s and took a brake from regular watching NBA in 2010s. Now I am back thanks to Jeremy and became Spurs fan because many guys are likeable on this team.

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    I don't hate Sochan, I hate the roles he and others have been repeatedly put into which makes them look foolish and our team lose.

    Sochan nailing that 3 was a bigger moment than anyone has brought up yet (here) vs Pacers. If Sochan can just be a passable (35%+) shooter, he's our guy forever and I'm willing to pay him (if I was in the FO). I said as much as early as last season - that he could be a Spur for lifer with his at ude and grit which every dynasty needs.

    And yes, I mean dynasty. I want a repeat. It's the only real thing the franchise is missing. People might say 3peat but that's reaching for the stars and requires more luck than anything else. A repeat requires luck but it's more about putting together the right roster at the right time.

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    They tried that last year it was ass and scrapped it.
    Oh yeah, I do recall that. Still worth revisiting at some point because we still don't have a point guard who can attack and disrupt and initiate.

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    Spurs fans have gone full re since 2020. Not just here but on other sites too. They're even dumber than the old "Austin Daye, Jeff Errors, and a FRP for Kevin Durant/Lebron James/whomever" people from back in the day.
    This site especially. It's like this performative thing-- everything sucks, players suck, franchise sucks -- and then people start believing it. It's the internet in general. A lot of really stupid people trying to impress each other and becoming even more tragically stupid because of it.

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    Anyone that thinks the Spurs should get rid of Sochan need their heads examined. He's got flaws, but he is a solid NBA player. If he could shoot 36% from 3 point range, and I know that's a big "if", he would be the perfect compliment to Wemby. That's all he lacks. His defense gets better every year and he's unselfish. He's athletic and he plays hard. He's also fun, which is good for chemistry. I get people being hot and cold on Vassell, even though I think he is a good player, but Sochan has really shown it this year when he has not been injured.
    The problem I see with Sochan is his long term fit next to Castle. One (if not both of them) will need to fix that shot as soon as possible. I like them both as players, but in today's NBA having two shooters as bad as them in the same lineup is a huge handicap.

    At the end of the day, it really all comes down to knocking down shots. Look at the Heat from a couple of years back, consistently making it far into the playoffs with a bunch of g-leaguers that couldn't do much more than hitting open 3 pointers.

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    Thanks for correcting, mobile auto-correct and English is not my first language so I've missed it.
    And I am not Scotty, I'm just a 52 yo bloke form Poland living in England now. Always appreciated SAS basketball even if I was more into Bulls in 90s and took a brake from regular watching NBA in 2010s. Now I am back thanks to Jeremy and became Spurs fan because many guys are likeable on this team.
    Cool, nice to know you.

    It's a much better way to interact than going at me as if I was hater or something, don't u think?

    If you're new on ST, know that some in here (with the highest post count) act as if it's their private club and go at anyone no having the same narrative. Hence the (cute) "bullying" I've been/am the target of. But FYI I've never hated on any player nor gone at any poster that didn't come at me first...

    As for Sochan, I get that as a polish you might have taken some of my posts as hateful, but know it's never been at him but the complementary pieces that I wish we'd see growing next to Wemby (more in and out player)

    I've purposely said each time I criticized him that I'd love to be wrong bc ultimately I want all of them to succeed bc they play for my team. Despite the qualities I reckon he has I just keep finding the balance often negative with his offensive limitations, maybe because of the role he has been given.

    I think he's more a role player, 4th option, plug in depending on matchups etc, not a 2nd/3rd option as he's been used up until now.

    PS/ I was just being sarcastic correcting you because I thought you were one of the many alts from those weirdos I mentioned. I'm french (living in the UK too) and propbably do more mistakes than you

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    If Sochan can just be a passable (35%+) shooter, he's our guy forever and I'm willing to pay him (if I was in the FO). I said as much as early as last season - that he could be a Spur for lifer with his at ude and grit which every dynasty needs.
    I'm not here to suggest a 30% 3PP is "good," but the difference between that and 35% is one more make per 20 shots, which means it wouldn't make a difference in most games.

    One more make every 10, and all of a sudden he'd be an elite shooter but still making less than one more 3P on a per-game basis.

    I don't really have a point here, just percentages are funny.
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    Really good defender,But his offense is still bad.Good teams will expose that like many times already.Double team
    wemby or clog the paint.And dare guys like sochan and castle to beat them by making outside shots.Sochan should
    remain on the bench.

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    Really good defender,But his offense is still bad.Good teams will expose that like many times already.Double team
    wemby or clog the paint.And dare guys like sochan and castle to beat them by making outside shots.Sochan should
    remain on the bench.
    How do you have spaces between your words but not your punctuation.

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    I'm not here to suggest a 30% 3PP is "good," but the difference between that and 35% is one more make per 20 shots, which means it wouldn't make a difference in most games.

    One more make every 10, and all of a sudden he'd be an elite shooter but still making less than one more 3P on a per-game basis.

    I don't really have a point here, just percentages are funny.
    The problem with Jeremy (and most bad 3pt shooters) is he makes 30% of his 3 point shots on absolutely wide open, defender standing back begging him to shoot, shots. That is a completely different shot diet than a typical 35% 3 point shooter who is at least still being respected by his defender (not sagging in lane, closing out on shooter).

    Part of it is the math behind his shooting; he wont hit wide open 3s enough to negate the value of having an extra defender who can sag off Sochan and swipe at drivers/contest in the paint/play passing lanes/harass Wemby.

    The other part is human nature; frankly, his shot looks bad whether it goes in or not. The movie Moneyball touched on how it is human nature that if something looks unorthodox/awkward people are likely to devalue it more (Moneyball showed a pitcher who throws sidearm to demonstrate this). Sochan has an awkward shot and other players instinctively think "let him shoot" when he gets the ball on the perimeter. This can be overcome if the math of his shot eventually turns to the point where coaches want him covered but that is seeming less likely to happen now that we are in Sochans 3rd year and its not meaningfully improved.

    I like Sochan as a player, he has good defensive compe iveness and a strong frame with good size. He and Wemby clearly have some chemistry in the open court (less so in the half court imo) and get along well. I hope (and expect) the Spurs to retain him for a fair amount, I would just like to see his role be that of 1st guy off the bench, have some nights where he plays 35 mins and some nights where he plays 15 mins depending on opponent/matchups and to embrace that role. Sochan as a long term starter going forward puts a low ceiling on what our offense could ever become in the modern NBA.

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    How do you have spaces between your words but not your punctuation.
    sorry for bad english bro.

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    The problem with Jeremy (and most bad 3pt shooters) is he makes 30% of his 3 point shots on absolutely wide open, defender standing back begging him to shoot, shots. That is a completely different shot diet than a typical 35% 3 point shooter who is at least still being respected by his defender (not sagging in lane, closing out on shooter).

    Part of it is the math behind his shooting; he wont hit wide open 3s enough to negate the value of having an extra defender who can sag off Sochan and swipe at drivers/contest in the paint/play passing lanes/harass Wemby.
    Totally. What would be interesting is if he gets up to 35% shooting them wide open (1 more make out of 20), suddenly teams might be less likely to sag off him. Which might lead to a drop in %, which leads teams to sag off him again, and around we go. All because of one more make per 20.

    Ultimately he should keep shooting them when he's open. If teams are going to sag off you might as well punish them 30% of the time, and that's probably a better success rate than trying to make something happen against a 5-on-4, especially since he's not an especially gifted playmaker.

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    Totally. What would be interesting is if he gets up to 35% shooting them wide open (1 more make out of 20), suddenly teams might be less likely to sag off him. Which might lead to a drop in %, which leads teams to sag off him again, and around we go. All because of one more make per 20.

    Ultimately he should keep shooting them when he's open. If teams are going to sag off you might as well punish them 30% of the time, and that's probably a better success rate than trying to make something happen against a 5-on-4, especially since he's not an especially gifted playmaker.
    Alternatively, if Jeremy could reliably attack the space when he is left open, that can be similarly effective as just shooting. Not saying it's even possible for him to come close to this, but that's a thing that makes Giannis so effective despite not being a great shooter, if you give him space on the perimeter he will attack it and once he gets going downhill you are toast.

    I think the answer lies somewhere in between (Jeremy improving his shooting and continuing to develop his ability to attack space), but just saying that there is more than one way to make teams pay for leaving you open

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    If he wasn't on the Spurs would you want to be trading for him?

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    They tried that last year it was ass and scrapped it.
    The games are just too different. Jokic doesn’t just stick to the high post. He uses his strength and girth to go shoot these short range jumpers at a high efficiency. This year he’s shoot 40% of his shots from 3-10 feet at 61%! That’s basically equivalent to a 40% 3 pt shooter, not to mention he can often rebound his own miss when he’s that close to the basket. This forces the defence to swarm as it is a high efficiency shot and that opens up shooters and cutters.

    Wemby on the other hand shoots on 14% of his shots from that distance and at a not incredible 48%. Which is equivalent to a 32% 3 pt shot, with better rebounding position. It’s still good, not great and defences would rather have wemby shoot that shot than for him to got for a layup with he is shooting at an incredible 82% so far this year. Or let him shoot 3s. Which is why wemby seems to be making his 3 a weapon to force the defence out and open up cutting lanes for his teammates. Issue is that sochan is pretty much the only decent cutter on the team because champaigne and maybe Barnes are the only true shooting threats which means that teams can still guard wemby while stuffing the lane.

    Wemby in the post would let him average 35 a game but he would expend so much energy there because his teammates can’t really keep the defense honest from outside. I’m still a fan of wemby isoing on the right too corner three area, with one player at each corner then the other two players on the high left. The other four players would have to constantly screen and cut to create passing opportunities for wemby and when all things fail wemby can just score.

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    If he wasn't on the Spurs would you want to be trading for him?
    No way

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    Jeremy would be good on a good team who needs someone to do the guarding and dirty work. Spurs suck so they need more and Jeremy does not have it.
    Kind of like Draymond.

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    Jeremy would be good on a good team who needs someone to do the guarding and dirty work. Spurs suck so they need more and Jeremy does not have it.
    Kind of like Draymond.
    Draymond looks bad when Dubs are struggling. Same with Sochan.

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    Draymond looks bad when Dubs are struggling. Same with Sochan.
    When Draymond does not have all that excellence around him he becomes below average. I think Jeremey the same

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    Jeremy isn't the same at all.

    Dray is his ceiling if he learns to shoot, pass and think on the court

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    Jeremy isn't the same at all.

    Dray is his ceiling if he learns to shoot, pass and think on the court
    Yeah. Draymond’s bbiq is in the top 1% of nba players. He almost ALWAYS makes the right decision on both ends of the court.

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