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    I think this board generally overrates the defensive prowess of both Sochan and Vassell. Maybe they are some of the top defenders on the team, but this team is historically bad on defense, so is that really saying much?
    Not to single you out but I gotta push back against this narrative.

    The Spurs defense last year (and so far this year) was historically bad in terms of raw DRtg. But it wasn't the worst of all time in terms of how far their DRtg was above league average, above being bad.

    Last year the league average DRtg (which is equal to the league average ORtg) was 114.8. The Spurs' was 120.0, 4.5% above the average.

    In 2018-2019 the league average DRtg was 110.4 and the worst DRtg in the league (Cleveland) was 117.6, 6.5% above the average.

    Both by raw points (2022-2023 Spurs +5.2, 2018-2019 Cavs +7.2) and by percentages (shown above) that Cavs defense was a lot worse than the Spurs.

    None of this is meant to excuse the Spurs piss-poor defense last year and so far this year. But it has been just plain bad, not historically so.

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    Not to single you out but I gotta push back against this narrative.

    The Spurs defense last year (and so far this year) was historically bad in terms of raw DRtg. But it wasn't the worst of all time in terms of how far their DRtg was above league average, above being bad.

    Last year the league average DRtg (which is equal to the league average ORtg) was 114.8. The Spurs' was 120.0, 4.5% above the average.

    In 2018-2019 the league average DRtg was 110.4 and the worst DRtg in the league (Cleveland) was 117.6, 6.5% above the average.

    Both by raw points (2022-2023 Spurs +5.2, 2018-2019 Cavs +7.2) and by percentages (shown above) that Cavs defense was a lot worse than the Spurs.

    None of this is meant to excuse the Spurs piss-poor defense last year and so far this year. But it has been just plain bad, not historically so.
    While I concede this point, I will say that if we have to qualify HOW we are historically bad, we've already lost.

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    Putting Socham as Point Guard was Pop's way of guaranteeing a Lottery Pick.

    Socham is NOT a point. You know it, I know it, Socham knows it, Pop Knows it.

    Putting Socham as point guard puts us in the lottery for next year. That's CIA Pops grand plan. That BETTER be Pop's grand plan, cuz there is no other excuse for doing it.

    Pop is a jerk.

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    Putting Socham as Point Guard was Pop's way of guaranteeing a Lottery Pick.

    Socham is NOT a point. You know it, I know it, Socham knows it, Pop Knows it.

    Putting Socham as point guard puts us in the lottery for next year. That's CIA Pops grand plan.

    F him.
    That's giving Pop too much credit saying it's his grand plan for this team to suck ass for a high draft pick. The old man is lost and doesn't know where he is. Nothing says perennial losers like purposely losing for a high draft pick when you already have your generational guy.

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    That's giving Pop too much credit saying it's his grand plan for this team to suck ass for a high draft pick. The old man is lost and doesn't know where he is. Nothing says perennial losers like purposely losing for a high draft pick when you already have your generational guy.
    There is no other reason for Socham to be a point. He's not one and everyone, including Pop, knows it. The ONLY reason to do it, is to tank the season. Remember, Robinson couldn't do it alone. Duncan couldn't either. Nor can Wemby. Need another super-star.

    Tanking the season is a way to do it and putting Socham at point ensures it. It's the only strategy that makes any sense whatsoever. I don't agree with it, but pops an asshole...he would do it in a heartbeat.

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    I swear sniffers will spin anything Pop does as a genius plan. Maybe he's just a bad coach. Ever thought of that?

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    Putting Socham as Point Guard was Pop's way of guaranteeing a Lottery Pick.

    Socham is NOT a point. You know it, I know it, Socham knows it, Pop Knows it.

    Putting Socham as point guard puts us in the lottery for next year. That's CIA Pops grand plan. That BETTER be Pop's grand plan, cuz there is no other excuse for doing it.

    Pop is a jerk.


    Remember this is the Pop that keep give Bryn Fores lot of minutes.

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    Jeremy needs to ask for a trade ASAP. What the old man is doing to his career is absolutely criminal. Get the out of this clown, Jeremy.

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    There is no other reason for Socham to be a point. Ö

    Of course thereís another reason. Pop is a moron.

    He really, truly thought that having Sochan out there would make the team significantly stronger on defense. And Pop thought that Sochan would be okay at pg if he didnít try to do too much.

    What could go wrong?

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    i'd rather watch Primo at point than bull . Like, tomorrow night.

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    i'd rather watch Primo naked at point than bull . Like, tomorrow night.
    fify

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    Of course there’s another reason. Pop is a moron.

    He really, truly thought that having Sochan out there would make the team significantly stronger on defense. And Pop thought that Sochan would be okay at pg if he didn’t try to do too much.

    What could go wrong?
    I think therein really lies the issue. For Sochan to succeed, Pop needs to be about 1000% more on his ass. Instead, he's taken the opposite approach, with predictable results.

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    i'd rather watch Primo at point than bull . Like, tomorrow night.
    The dude had a good game. Not a game to look at and blame it on him.

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    There is no other reason for Socham to be a point. He's not one and everyone, including Pop, knows it. The ONLY reason to do it, is to tank the season. Remember, Robinson couldn't do it alone. Duncan couldn't either. Nor can Wemby. Need another super-star.

    Tanking the season is a way to do it and putting Socham at point ensures it. It's the only strategy that makes any sense whatsoever. I don't agree with it, but pops an asshole...he would do it in a heartbeat.
    Apparently you didn't see the '03 Spurs.

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    Jeremy should ask to come off the bench, he can't possibly be enjoying this

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    Bench pf who either comes in for wemby or plays alongside him in small lineups. So easy. He’s clearly an nba player but totally out of his element

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    Bench pf who either comes in for wemby or plays alongside him in small lineups. So easy. He’s clearly an nba player but totally out of his element
    was really obvious before the season even started. A lot of stupid people on this board tho (even dumber than myself) who pretend to know and get all pissy when you point out how stupid they are. Like people here (a lot of ing people btw) honestly beloved that playing PG was easy. That any player could do it. I lost count of how many people argued for “positionless basketball” which never really works. Or Tall ball or PG by committee. They stood on their tower yelling and calling out any fan who dared argued the obvious. Sochan isn’t a PG whether it’s now or 5 years from now. Dude can’t shoot. We need shooters to surround Wemby. He’s a bench player PF

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    Apparently you didn't see the '03 Spurs.
    You mean the season that Duncan had Manu and Parker...as well as Horry, Bowen, etc..etc..?

    Kinda proves my point. Robinson and Duncan couldn't to it without other superstars to help them. So, like I said, Pop may want to tank the season and get another lottery pick. To get another superstar.

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    Jeremy is growing and will be better for this experience in the future. Growth hurts and takes time, be patient young jedis!

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    was really obvious before the season even started. A lot of stupid people on this board tho (even dumber than myself) who pretend to know and get all pissy when you point out how stupid they are. Like people here (a lot of ing people btw) honestly beloved that playing PG was easy. That any player could do it. I lost count of how many people argued for “positionless basketball” which never really works. Or Tall ball or PG by committee. They stood on their tower yelling and calling out any fan who dared argued the obvious. Sochan isn’t a PG whether it’s now or 5 years from now. Dude can’t shoot. We need shooters to surround Wemby. He’s a bench player PF
    Jeremy is currently shooting 42% from beyond the arc. If you’re going to call him a failed PG after 13 games, I get to call him an elite shooter after 13 games.

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    You mean the season that Duncan had Manu and Parker...as well as Horry, Bowen, etc..etc..?

    Kinda proves my point. Robinson and Duncan couldn't to it without other superstars to help them. So, like I said, Pop may want to tank the season and get another lottery pick. To get another superstar.
    You obviously never watched the 03 Spurs cause Horry wasn't on that team. Manu was a rookie averaging 8 PPG, Robinson was over the hill putting up 10/10 and Parker was a sop re who had to get benched for Speedy Claxton. This was one of the biggest carrying a team jobs in NBA history by Tim Duncan

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    Jeremy is currently shooting 42% from beyond the arc. If you’re going to call him a failed PG after 13 games, I get to call him an elite shooter after 13 games.
    19 total 3 point attempts is a different type of sample size compared to 13 games playing a specific position

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